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This seems like it would be really obvious, no?
If you are simply buying fruit juices at the store you are getting zero to virtually zero fiber. So you are getting a bunch of calories but without feeling any sense of fullness that you would get if you instead just ate the fruit.
Fruit is healthy but you are much better off just eating the fruit and drinking water. If you really want to drink the fruit juice you should just blend the fruit so that you are also getting all the pulp. The fiber is excellent for you and will help prevent you from turning all that juice into "empty" calories.
It's obvious to anyone who has thought about it, yes. Unfortunately there's a larger than you expect percentage of people out there who just think "fruit healthy" and that's where the thought ends
my dad, who is quite overweight, would order the sweet potato french fries at Culver's, after I told him to eat healthier. My mom even supported him - "those are SWEET POTATO fries! that's healthy!". I told them that's not how it works, and it just made them angry.
CULVER'S HAS STEAMED VEGGIES AS AN OPTION
Yeah but those are for commies.
It doesn't help that government recommendations have been based on either terrible research or straight up from lobbying groups for so many decades.
The old food pyramid was insane. Nuts, beans, and red meat all being lumped in the protein category, while all fats and sweets were considered the same. Sugar was just considered a carbohydrate, whether it came from fruits or from soda (high fructose corn syrup). The categories were displayed and expressed as hard lines and there was no nuance at all. Not to mention bread, cereal, rice, pasta all being the largest category... and an entire category for just milk-based items.
For many people the government recommendation is just taken at face value, often just because that is what they're taught in school.
The update makes a bit more sense (though they are still telling you to drink milk at every meal) but I miss my 11 servings of pasta per day..
https://www.myplate.gov/myplate-plan
Check the Canadian guide, they finally did it without asking for input from the various food lobbies...
Interesting!
Surprisingly similar to the US one, just without the Milk Lobby influence. "Make water your drink of choice" would improve so many people's lives.
Digging into the US guidelines it says that "93% of Americans are not getting enough dairy." #ThatIsALie
US dairy lobby is bonkers. Not as bonkers as the corn people, but close.
Yep, the dairy lobby is still pissed about it, it's been five years now and they still say that Health Canada is biased against them... After working with them to create the guide for decades? 🤔
this a png for ants? https://food-guide.canada.ca/artifacts/CFG-snapshot-EN.pdf
Milk is still pretty nutritious and a glass a day is probably very beneficial for most adults that can actually digest it.
I'm not arguing that, this is recommending a glass with every meal and giving it its own special food group requirements. The "93% are not getting enough dairy" figure is pretty absurd since in 2021 (the last time data was collected), Americans ate on average 667 pounds of dairy per year. That's 1.8 pounds per day. It's a weird measurement, since a pint of milk weighs about a pound, and a pound of cheese is 16 servings of cheese, but either way.. I think we're getting enough dairy.
https://www.foodbeverageinsider.com/dairy/dairy-consumption-hits-record-level-in-u-s-
I think it was kellogs or one of the other old school cereal brands that came up with the food pyramid just so they could sell cheap corn based shit. Greed from the very beginning.
Totally fair point. As usual I tend to overestimate the general public.
I think children are generally taught "eat your fruits and vegetables". It should not be permitted to target children with fruit-branded junk food and mis-marketing
One of my friends was staying with me for a few days. She bought 2 half gallons of apple juice (buy one, get one) and she was saying how much she loved it, how healthy it was, and she switched over from soda a while ago. I commented that it's not really healthy per se because it still contains nearly as much sugar as soda, she didn't disagree but still said that drinking apple juice just seems healthier since it's from a fruit.
Yes you’d think that wouldn’t include researchers who do research and publish in pediatric journals though.
what does "healthy" even mean in this context exactly? like if i eat 3 apples tomorrow will i tangibly actually feel different? what about every day for a week? month? what exactly are people getting out of this other than the placebo effect from the word 'healthy'
"Healthy" most of the time means it has a range of nutrients that help your body function, and prevents a lot of bad stuff, if you eat them consistently.
These bad things include dementia, certain eye diseases, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, depression, pancreatic diseases, hip fractures, cancer, weight gain and diabetes.
https://www.eufic.org/en/healthy-living/article/the-benefits-of-fruits-and-vegetables
Thanks for reminding me I need to go to my local taqueria and get an agua fresca o7
this is why, while i love fruit smoothies, i also make sure to also add some granola and/or flax seed for extra fiber.
helps me save on t-p, too!
If you like banana smoothies, peanut butter is another great way to round it out a bit more. And yknow, make it taste all the better because peanut butter fucks.
Freeze the banana and then blend the frozen banana with peanut butter and a little almond/oat/other plant milk and it's like a milkshake without the dairy. Amazingly good!
If you’re adding plant milk, surely it is a milkshake?
True 😆
Growing up we'd blend just frozen bananas and a little bit of peanut butter together. Keep it going long enough and you'll get real close to ice cream consistency with just those two things. Add a little drizzle of chocolate syrup and you've got a reasonably not unhealthy treat that's damn good.