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Pope Francis called Monday for a universal ban on the “despicable” practice of surrogate motherhood, as he included the “commercialization” of pregnancy in an annual speech listing threats to global peace and human dignity.

In a foreign policy address to ambassadors accredited to the Holy See, Francis lamented that 2024 had dawned at a time in history in which peace is “increasingly threatened, weakened and in some part lost.”

Citing Russia’s war in Ukraine, the Israel-Hamas war, migration, climate crises and the “immoral” production of nuclear and conventional weapons, Francis delivered a lengthy laundry list of the ills afflicting humanity and the increasing violation of international humanitarian law that allows them.

But Francis also listed smaller-scale issues that he said were threats to peace and human dignity, including surrogacy. Francis said the life of the unborn child must be protected and not “suppressed or turned into an object of trafficking.”

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I am no religious expert, but going by what I remember from church, Jesus was sent here for all of us, so wouldn't that make the Virgin Mary basically a surrogate?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Technically, but remember that Mary didn't consent or even know what was happening. Jesus was a rape baby...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

@Bonehead Luke 1:38 "'I am the Lord’s servant, Mary answered. 'May your word to me be fulfilled.' Then the angel left her." / Luke 1:46-48 "And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed,"

Does not sound like she didn't know what was going on, or that she didn't consent...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She was like 13. The best age to get boned by Christianity

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mo and Aisha at 9 - makes me think fundie abrahamic religions don't care as much about age of consent.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So you're just going to accept the story from some dude that wrote it years later?

[–] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 10 months ago

Decades later by known liars.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

She was already pregnant at that point.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Luke rewrote Matthew and cleaned it up. Here is what Matt wrote

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

Matthew chapter 1:18-19

No consent given.

[–] T156 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't that just claim that Joseph was unaware of her pregnancy?

[–] afraid_of_zombies 1 points 10 months ago

At the moment of it later he knew

[–] afraid_of_zombies -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jesus was sent here for all of us

Sure let's check the Bible

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Matthew 15:24

The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.

Mark 13:10-11

Uh oh. It seems like Jesus wasnt sent for everyone only for a small group of loyal followers from one ethnic group.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

If you are going to quote me, you should start with the beginning where I said "I am no religious expert".