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I came across a post in a Michigan community that mentioned this, and i asked if it really happened because it seems so crazy that Republican collaborators would directly mail in fake documents saying Trump won states he lost and I hadn't even really heard about it.

But this is exactly what happened, as I found out today after looking for more corroborating sources:

https://people.com/politics/forged-documents-declaring-trump-pence-winners-sent-to-national-archives/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Trump republicans in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada, and New Mexico forged false elector certificates and actually mailed in those forged electoral certificates to the national archives, that were examined and found to be forgeries, with trump, Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman as the ring leaders calling hundreds of Republicans to ask them to directly commit election fraud and forgery.

Some of them said yes. A bunch of them said yes, actually.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Well look at that. Conspiracy to defraud the elections of the United States.

I guess the #GOP was right about election fraud all along, except they were the group doing it & their accusations were just projection.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

Yea, stop the steal was real, but being perpetrated by Republicans and conservatives, and Americans and its political institutions actually did stop the steal trump and his campaign officials attempted.

Like straight up. Straight up forgery and electoral fraud, even more direct than that Georgia call.

My head is spinning about it

[–] CosmicTurtle 19 points 10 months ago

Keep in mind that their goal was and continues to be discrediting the democratic process. They are willing to give up short term gains for long term power.

They have, imo, successfully convinced enough people that elections cannot be trusted. It's why we need more and more people to be election officials but the threat of violence against them is making it challenging.

[–] Buddahriffic 16 points 10 months ago

It's always projection with them. Which is why I wanted to see investigations into some of the states where they won instead of it all being focused where they lost and claimed fraud was happening. Also battleground states they lost but didn't call fraud on.

[–] Aceticon 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fraud and Forgery are by themselves a Crime (I believe even in the US) even without the whole conspiracy to defraud the elections.

Surelly those who committed them can already be prosecuted and convicted if found guilty?!

[–] captainlezbian 5 points 10 months ago

It’s definitely a crime and a very serious one. But judges are being threatened and the judiciary was preemptively stacked