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WYSK: There funded by dark money PACS, but some good reporting has brought out these names: David Koch, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Harlan Crow, and Michael Bloomberg. Some of there members are most famous for stopping big bills. Joe Leiberman, for example, single handedly stopped the single payer portion of the ACA. Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsen Simena kept the John Lewis voting rights act from passing, and famously kept the senate from repealing the filibuster.

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[–] voxov7 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Lenins2ndCat 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The dems are never going to pass voting reform for the same reason the UK labour party (a considerably further left party than the dems) has never passed it despite pretending they would consider it for multiple decades now. They benefit from FPTP. All they would be doing is diluting their power and handing over a huge portion of the political landscape to socialists who would immediately become relevant, they would then be forced to actually come to agreements with those socialists as opposed to just completely and totally ignoring them as they do currently.

[–] thallamabond 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lenins2ndCat 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And you think that the dems wouldn't magically find someone else to do a spoiler vote on issues they don't really want to pass? Lmao why are americans this hilariously naive? These people do not represent the average working class person, they represent millionaires and billionaires, they represent the very corporate owners that the fediverse exists to escape from. When you finally realise this you will begin to start seeing through the bullshit. Half of this stuff can be done via Executive powers. They don't do it because they do not want to.

[–] TheDubz87 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, we're all so polarized left/right, red/blue, that everyone's become blind to this. The big wigs started a culture/political war to keep us away from the class war. And they've won unfortunately. Part of the reason I can't get I to politics with anyone, because while they all scream left or right, I'm out here on my soap box screaming tear the whole government down and start over. The "progressive" parties will only push as hard as they can without losing any of their/their corporate overlords excess income.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 3 points 1 year ago

The liberals will never recognise the trend of history that they've created, or take blame. They will blame the people instead, choosing to blame ontological factors over a materialist understanding of history.

[–] thallamabond 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point of this entire post is to try to illustrate how you do not have to buy out an entire political party, when you only have to get to those on the margins of a majority.

You put all democrats into a little box, things are more nuanced than that. Yes, people with tons of money have tons of influence is US politics, this post illustrates specific names and examples.

Do you have anything to add to this conversation, or do you just want to paint with broad strokes?

[–] Lenins2ndCat 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I will paint party politics with broad strokes because that is exactly what party politics is. Collectives representing collectives. You don't get to individualise it as and when it suits you, then collectivise it as and when it suits you at other times.

The path of America from now until its end is liberals increasingly doing nothing to prevent the declining standards of living of millions of people while enriching the people they actually represent up until the population becomes so alienated that they give up on them. Then? Fascism. Until the country is torn into pieces.

There is no off ramp. And I will continue to advocate that people organise around planning for this inevitability through means outside of the useless dems ushering in this fascism. Anything else is morally reprehensible.

The Supreme Court just decided that businesses refusing business to protected minorities is free speech. The door is open for segregation again. What are the Dems going to do about it? Actually fucking use any powers in their hands or just tell people to voooooooote? They'll do nothing, because they're complicit.

[–] thallamabond -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a fan of todays supreme court decisions today either.

The rest of your response is unhinged, I'm going to keep going to my day job, and voting for the most progressive candidates.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 3 points 1 year ago

There's nothing "unhinged" about recognising the fact that I as a trans person am the subject matter of genocide legislation today and that all rights across the board are regressing as fascists continue to make gains even at times when Dems hold every single power necessary to stop them. The fact that you hand wave the direction of the country away when oppressed groups are screaming at them to do something (spoiler: they'll keep doing nothing) is part of the reason that you're seeing this enormous leftwards radicalisation and shift away from liberalism.

Resorting to ableism because you don't like people to your left critiquing you is also partially responsible.

[–] assassin_aragorn 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is labour still even left of Democrats? Their anti trans courting and behavior speaks volumes.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 3 points 1 year ago

Pink washing doesn't make the party "left". It doesn't absolve the democrats of being warmongers, global keepers of imperialism, upholders of torture facilities or the border concentration camps full of children.

What makes them left or right is where they sit economically as representatives of the capitalist class, the millionaires and billionaires.

Even David Cameron, former leader of the Tories, is to the left of Biden.

I absolutely agree that Labour throwing trans people under a bus is abhorrent though. Unfortunately with the way things are there is no left spoiler alternative to go for, although the Greens will probably function as one they're very far from what the those of us in the third of the country who fought for Corbyn believe in.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] voxov7 44 points 1 year ago

Ranked choice voting, fix gerrymandering and voter suppression, end disenfranchisement of felons. Such things. I would love to hear any ideas if you or lemmy had some.

[–] Rusticus 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lots of people say and think that Biden is too old and demented but his has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years.

[–] couragethebravedog 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Care to say why he's the best in 50 years ? I for one think Obama is hard to beat.

[–] Rusticus 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t confuse president with presidency. Obama did a poor job of negotiation and was unable to achieve any give and take with republicans. Biden just prevented a government shutdown and has passed far more progressive legislation and has made much more decisive decisions. Biden’s DOD knew Putin was going to attack Ukraine for months and prepared for it.

[–] FlashMobOfOne -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So do you have anything of value to contribute? All of your comments seem to just be criticizing Democrats for '40 years of doing nothing'. When the choice is between fascists and status quo, there's one choice. It sucks but all we can do is try to pursue the Democratic establishment to push progressive changes. Obama wasted opportunity with control of the Senate, but Biden hasn't had the same luxury. Trump appointment SCJs also set back progress.

Third party literally isn't an option, otherwise we'll get more fascists because everything center and right is content voting against any progress to maintain white 'supremacy' and 'family values' (read Oppression of minority groups and female autonomy).

We're forced to work with the system we have and the parent commenter makes sincere note of necessary changes that would make it possible to maybe not be in the position where we're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.

But go on with your sarcastic dissent, it's really helping progress. Fucking pathetic.