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The pit bull discussion never ends. Pit bulls are like guns: objectively bad for society but some people really want to have them so we all have to suffer the consequences. Pit bull lovers don't care about all the victims, they only care about their personal needs and "rights". You can't convince someone not to be selfish so the entire discussion doesn't make any sense.
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.
This has been said so many times it's boring: chihuahua with a bad owner never killed anyone.
Also: would you support mandatory background checks, permits and training for pit bull owners? To make sure that they only go to good owners...
I support educating pet owners, and regulating "puppy mills".
Dogs aren't guns.
Educating and regulating how? Mandatory certificates for pit bull owners? What regulations of "puppy mills" would stop pit bulls from killing people?
That's not what the data shows though. The vast majority of dog attacks are by pitbulls.
Except the major source everyone cites is one psycho who composes his data exclusively by going through news reports of dog attacks and determining it was a pit bull if any news source called it a pit bull rather than any scientific methodology whatsoever
Super reliable! You know, the same news sources that call every 1-hand bang-bang-thingy a "glock", a wooden two-hand bang-bang-thingy an AK-47, and a black shovel an Assault-Rifle-15-mall-sweeping-military-style-bump-stock-war-machine assault weapon.
Yeah I'm sure they're great at differentiating dog breeds too! XD
What reason would someone have to do that though? Probably was attacked by a pitbull in the past lol
Yes. She tried to run past someone and their dog on a narrow walk without speaking. Turns out running up behind a strange dog and touching it or almost touching it can lead to bad things. Who would have known except literally everyone else on the planet.
Pretty sure that might only happen with a pitbull or Rottweiler. You can't link me an example of it happening with any other breed.
It makes me sad how many ignorant people upvoted this.
Kids killed by pit bulls make me sadder.
Irresponsible parenting makes me the saddest.
Ah yes, it’s the parent letting their daughter play in the backyard that’s at fault, not the neighbor’s pit bull that crushed her trachea.
What is ignorant about it? I see a ton of facts. I’ve long said pit bulls are the assault rifles of the dog world. Much like it is easy to claim every gun and every dog can be dangerous with the wrong owner, somehow when a tragedy happens is is disproportionately one particular type at the center.
That's why mental health checks should be given to gun owners, outlawing them just makes us vulnerable to outside attacks. The problem isn't too many people with guns, the problem is too many mentally unhealthy people with guns and not enough mentally healthy with guns. Most mass shootings wouldn't happen if everyone they were shooting had guns themselves.
Dogs on the other hand are completely different. Your racially biased when it comes to pitbulls, no question about it. Do you see that more crimes are committed by minorities and think it's because of their skin color too?
When logic fails, accuse the other side of racism.
You're literally saying one type of dog is more dangerous than others. What other word is there to describe that than racist? I wasn't accusing you of being racist towards other humans, I was asking if you were. My point was that you are doing the same thing "intellectual" racists do to justify their bias against specific groups. You can't deny your racist against pitbulls though, that's your entire argument.
Dog breeds are not races. This is seriously one of the stupidest takes I’ve ever heard.
Lmao so I'm using the wrong word? You don't have anything else to add to your side of the argument? I'm sorry for saying pitbull racist instead whatever word you would prefer. Please ignore that and give your rebuttal for the point I was making. When people revert to semantics, it's a pretty good indicator that they don't have any value to add to their argument and are grasping at straws. I hope that's not the case with you though.
You are a moron.
So semantics is your final rebuttal. Great.
It’s not semantics. Breeds are not races.
Right, I used the wrong word. Would the right word be "Breedist"? I really don't think so but it's all I can think of.
There is no works for it because it is a concept that doesn’t exist.
Even you admit selective breeding is a thing. Border collies herd things by instinct. Huskys love snow and pulling things. Golden retrievers love fetch. Pit bulls have an extremely powerful bite. It’s just how those breeds are.
I agree that a pitbull bite is more dangerous than most other dog bites but that doesn't mean they are more likely to bite. Pitbulls behavior like every other dog is determined by the training it gets and how much energy it is able to expel. Any dog that is pent up and not properly trained could bite someone. It's true that a pitbull bite is a lot worse than a Chihuahuas, but if the owner can't train their dog they shouldn't even have one no matter the breed.
I don’t disagree entirely (although I think an attack instinct kicks is a lot faster in pit bulls), but that’s my point. A pit bull bite is simply inherently more lethal. Since we are not going to license and regulate dog owners and monitor their training efforts, the best alternative is not having dangerous breeds.
Not all pitbulls are work dogs. It's not even a real breed first of all but the dogs that we consider pitbulls come from all kinds, they have work dogs and dogs that were bred for homes. If any kind of dog should be outlawed, it should be work dogs in general. To single out such a broad kind of dog, like "pitbull" is ignorant.
I will never agree. Pit bulls are dangerous, and I will die with that opinion
Which breed of dog are you talking about though? Because "pitbull" is not a breed. Do you mean all of the 3-5 breeds ignorant people consider pitbulls? Or do you just mean one of them, if so which one?
No, the breed’s most people consider pit bulls. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and so on, as well as mixes.
Stop claiming people are ignorant just because they disagree with you. That is what is truly ignorant.
I hate pit bulls with a passion and would gladly kill every single one. The world would be a safer place.
You are a bigot and sound exactly the same as the people who fought for racist slavery. One is a lot worse but they're both bad and come from ridiculous opinions.
You are a ridiculous asshole. It’s a fucking dog. Maybe when a pit kills one of your loved ones, you will see what horrible creatures they are.
I would want to kill the dogs owner not the dog if that happened because I understand it's a product of it's environment. There are no bad dogs just bad people. How you can't see that is beyond me.
"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Is the definition for "Racism" on Google.
It's obviously specifically directed to humans but when I was using that word I was applying it to non-humans. I imagine it's hard for you to take the irrelevant parts specifically about humans out and use the remaining definition that is relevant on a broader spectrum. But I'm looking forward to you explaining why that's stupid.
You don't have anything better to say?
An idea so stupid doesn’t need more of a response. Pit bulls were selectively bred for thousands of years for fighting, bull baiting, and killing rats. Very different that human races (and as my Afro American studies prof liked to tell us, there is no race but the human race.)
Okay, that's a really good point that I can't think of an argument for. I'm also relieved that you don't have the same ignorance for people and are actually apparently well educated about the subject. To your professors point, that's exactly why racism is pure ignorance.
Put bulls are not an objective bad for society. They're not ruthless killing machines. They're not even more aggressive than other dogs.
Arguably not more aggressive, but definitely more damaging and lethal.
Do they do anything that other dogs can't do? Besides killing people. What's the benefit of having pit bulls?
Do you perhaps know what the word "pit" in the name pitbull stands for?
But they are for more capable of killing/maiming and kill more often than other breeds.
Any large breed dog is objectively more capable of killing a human. Pit bulls are just 20% of the US dog population and rottweilers are 2%.
Yet it’s still almost never a Great Dane, Bernese, St Bernard, Mastiff, or a Newfoundland. Pitbulls are 20% of dogs, yet [this study found they make up 53% of dog bite injuries requiring ER treatment.]) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/)
The fact is, they are disproportionally more likely to case injury or death.