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Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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[–] Jackolantern 52 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Why, what’s wrong with lemmy.ml? Can someone eli5 me?

My account actually lives there but I also made a lemmy world one.

[–] linearchaos 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It seems to me that community choice in Lemmy is far less important than community choice is in Mastodon. In Mastodon you subscribe to some people or maybe some lists but you're largely dependent upon what types of local traffic are happening. I couldn't reliably fill my feed with interesting people in Mastodon. With Lemmy, I'm filling my feed with interesting communities, while the content with a lot of these communities is still kind of light It's at least enough to keep me relatively interested. I don't have to rely on the local splarg to keep me entertained.

Maybe a third to a half of my lemmy subscriptions are remote I've only blocked a handful of idiots. The experience thus far as better than Reddit honestly.

[–] what_is_a_name 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you have not been on mastodon lately. I’d suggest a revisit.

As part of my migration to Lemmy I did and found the experience much improved. It way easier to find channels to follow from all various instances.

Now my main focus was on getting good news feed set up - which is pretty mainstream need. So if your needs are more niche it may still be a pain.

[–] linearchaos 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was there last week. I followed the tech news people when they finally made the mass exodus in the wake of twitter. It's more or less just full of news and my local community theme. The biggest pain is when a guy who posts news I love just boost the crap out of everyone. No, I want to see his articles, not how much he likes that person's cat pictures.

I prefer lemmy and karma indicators.

[–] Ech 9 points 2 years ago

The biggest pain is when a guy who posts news I love just boost the crap out of everyone. No, I want to see his articles, not how much he likes that person’s cat pictures.

One of the biggest things I dislike about Twitter, too. I don't care what these people retweet or whatever. I want to see their posts. It's a pain in the ass to navigate through a flood of retweets.

[–] porkins 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities.. He apparently censors lemmy.ml with this in mind. Since it is open source though, I can trust that other instances might be better maintained. There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

[–] BenHouston 28 points 2 years ago

my signup because this all probably is going to China.

China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.

[–] slinky317 15 points 2 years ago

That's the beauty of the fediverse. Don't like the server? Go somewhere else.

[–] ZheSquirrel 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh the ml in lemmy.ml is Marxist lenonist. That makes a lot of sense actually

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You literally just made that up. I'm pretty sure they said at some point that they chose this simply cause its free.

[–] ZheSquirrel 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was wrong, and it was a guess using context clues from the post I was replying too.

I didn't "make it up", I was just incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I just get kinda pissed off at comments like that because I've been using lemmy for like 3 years now and they've never done something wrong but now there are some people that just say stuff about them that's not even true. Your comment wasn't the first like that after all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

ml is the domain for mali

[–] Eldritch 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Leninist. Marxist Leninist is largely an oxymoron as Lenin just sort of ignored a lot of core things Marx discussed. Specifically going against many of them. There are many different Marxism derived ideologies that aren't ML and don't sympathize or apologize for the atrocities of ML or capitalist regimes. Please don't lump them all together.

As far as Leninist go. I agree with you 💯% though.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Eldritch 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

When it comes to physics Einstein has yet to be proven wrong for just about anything. When it came to politics and human nature. Einstein was not known to be any great judge. And even then. That's feinting praise. Einstein knew how to throw shade.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Ok, firstly you are not smarter than Einstein.

Secondly. What are you on about? He said this in 1929. Lenin had been dead for 5 years already when he said this. Stalin was leader of the USSR and everything about Lenin and the revolutionary years was perfectly well known. Pretending that Einstein was simply unaware of the events that he actually lived through at the time is ridiculous.

Seeing as he died in 55

That's 31 years after Lenin. Having lived through Weimer Germany as a jewish man, watching and applauding the success of the soviet revolution, seeing the failure of the german revolution after the murder of rosa luxembourg, fleeing to the US, and watching the USSR liberate nazi Germany auschwitz and all the camps of the holocaust that he narrowly avoided being part of himself.

He commented on the US in his later life actually, in December 1947 he stated:

"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my life."

The FBI had a 250 page file on einstein, you can view it here: https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein

On page 14 the report says:

"Not even Stalin himself is affiliated with so many anarcho-communist international groups to promote this "preliminary condition" of world revolution and ultimate anarchy, as Albert Einstein."

[–] Eldritch 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Ok, firstly you are not smarter than Einstein.

Never claimed to be. Cool strawman though.

That's 31 years after Lenin........

You know basic math? That's cool too. Specifically made point of refference to the legacy of lenin's authoritarian ideology and it's common outcomes. Ie social repression and brutality. Not so much the man himself.

He commented on the US in his later life actually, in December 1947 he stated:

If you're implying that demostrates he wished he'd gone to Russia. That would be a non sequiter and completely unsupported by the qoute. Though I agree with Einsteins assessment there. The US was after all the base model for much of what became Fascism and Nazism that we're still waiting for a reckoning for even 100 years later.

"Not even Stalin himself is affiliated with so many anarcho-communist international groups to promote this "preliminary condition" of world revolution and ultimate anarchy, as Albert Einstein."

Hey, you know who wasn't anarcho communist. Lenin and Stalin! Einstein got it sorted out eventually. Good on him. Double good as I tend towards anarcho communism a bit myself. Posthumous hi-5 with Einstein.

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[–] Raphael 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism

Based

There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

Typical liberalism red scare fearmongering, lemmy has no ties to China.

[–] Vikthor 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities ..

FTFY

It's funny which part of the quote you decided to omit. Tankies gonna tank, eh?

For those who haven't checked - in the linked page dessalines(Lemmy lead dev) recommends books and articles by, among others, Lenin, Stalin & Castro.

[–] Raphael 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Stalin went too far, sure. We know.

Fidel did nothing wrong. Lenin did what he had to do for the sake of revolution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't read those works they mentioned so I can't say if they defend the atrocities of those regimes (they very well might), but I wouldn't say suggesting a book about those political ideologies implies you believe the atrocities committed by those regimes were acceptable.

But I'm also totally ready for someone to tell me they do in fact minimize the bad things. As someone born in the American south who was raised with echos of Lost Cause propaganda I'm familiar with folks twisting a horrible truth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To sum up, Dessalines believes that a genocide is not taking place against the Uyghur people by the Chinese government.

That's basically one of the common concerns I see, just kind of in addition to the general tankie vibes that are shared by many in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad which are sympathetic to communist regimes that have committed atrocities.

[–] Ignacio 1 points 2 years ago
[–] learningduck 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin's contents, but not sharing back.

Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.

[–] rainfern 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh they're absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn't matter. We'll see.

[–] assassin_aragorn 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are we talking about the devs of Lemmy itself, or people specific to .ml?

[–] dot20 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

.ml is run by the Lemmy devs.

[–] assassin_aragorn 2 points 2 years ago

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up!

[–] Jackolantern 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh that’s not good. That goes against the spirit of federation. I wonder what their reasons are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody knows for sure, but my guess is they blocked any request with "Bot" in the header, and blocked the "KbinBot" by accident.

Just a guess though.

[–] Jackolantern 1 points 2 years ago

I hope that’s just the case.

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