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Minnesota’s new state flag should feature an eight-pointed North Star against a dark blue background shaped like the state, with a solid light blue field at the right, a special commission decided Tuesday as it picked a replacement for an older design that many Native Americans considered offensive.

The State Emblems Redesign Commission chose the final version on an 11-1 vote after finalizing a new state seal that depicts a loon, the state bird. Unless the Legislature rejects them, the new flag and seal will automatically become official April 1, 2024, when Minnesota observes Statehood Day.

The star echoes Minnesota’s state motto of “Star of the North.” The commission’s chairman, Luis Fitch, said that to him, the light blue represents the Mississippi River, “the most important river in the United States,” pointing to the North Star. But he acknowledged it could mean other things to other people. Symmetry and simplicity won out over other versions, including ones that included a green stripe for the state’s agricultural heritage.

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[–] aulin 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow. I saw it as the two people sharing the land. I did not see it as fleeing. Still a terrible flag, and even more so if it can be interpreted so differently.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I saw it as the two people sharing the land.

Honestly? Even if it was unequivocally that it would still be a problem. The whitewashing of using violence to drive people from their homes and then pretending that they came to an agreement to share the land is just gross.

[–] postmateDumbass 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if i see the indian circiling in for the kill?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are we still using that word or did we figure that part out already?

[–] postmateDumbass 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i went to elementry school on a reservation, indian reservation was the parlance of the time. Kinda stuck with me.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe time to leave that in your past. Around these parts that's not a word folks are fond of.

[–] MonkRome 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know where "around these parts" is for you but I've heard plenty of people refer to themselves as indian or American Indian instead of Native American in my lifetime. Really many people would prefer you use their actual tribe name over either one, but it's most often white people getting bent out of shape over using "indian" in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

These parts are the highest indigenous population per capita in Canada and the home of the Metis nation. Maybe we're just less shitty than some other places but that's a nice thing to learn!

[–] Malfeasant 0 points 1 year ago

Or actual Indians, from India.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many Native American people prefer the term "American Indians", to be fair. There is a bit of a split on which one is preferrable depending on who you ask. It varies from tribe to tribe, region to region, and with age differences.

Most Native people would just prefer to be called by their tribal affiliation over either of the terms, but accept them as our collective terms for them. Many don't care which one you use because it's wrong either way, really.

This is just from my experience talking with some people from different tribes in my area, and from seeing the question posted on forums before.

[–] aulin 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's true. But I was thinking the motif might be from before all that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There really isn't any "before all that" though. Especially that far west. Along the east coast there might have been a generation of "we just want to escape weligious pewsecution and gwow cown uwu 👉👈🥺" but the first permanent settlement in Minnesota was in 1852, 7 years after the phrase "manifest destiny" was coined. Minnesota was established during the era where the prevailing belief of white Americans was that God commanded them to take all of America for themselves and anyone who tried to stop them was to be destroyed.

[–] aulin 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, shit. I don't have that detailed knowledge of US history. 1852. That's almost 100 years after its founding, right? I had no clue it took that long to spread west.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just two friends hanging out with their spear and their rifle respectively at hand

[–] aulin 1 points 1 year ago

The rifle is just chilling. The dude's plowing.