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Please defederate from threads.net (aussie.zone)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Meta threads will open federation to the fediverse soon, and while this is mainly to mastodon it will still affect lemmy. They are acting like they won't be evil, but let's be real this is Facebook when have they ever done that.

This article which has been trending lately explains some of the issues. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

This comment here is a simple analogy if you can't be bothered reading the article. https://lemmy.ca/comment/5702922

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Personally I think this is ridiculous.

First, there's the simple fact that Lemmy's interaction with Threads will likely be the same relatively rare/limited interaction we currently have with Mastodon. People might show up to comment from time to time, and we'll be able to @mention their users. But that's about it. It's not a serious issue for Lemmy instances to be concerned about.

But second, I think pre-emptive defederation here, regardless of whether we're talking about Lemmy or Mastodon instances, is ridiculous. If they start doing bad things, it is trivial to defederate at that time. If they don't, we're much better off letting them participate and benefit from the increased number and variety of users with whom we can interact thanks to their participation in the fediverse.

Don't fall for FUD when there's an opportunity knocking.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If they start doing bad things

Meta/Facebook have been doing bad things for 20 years now.

"I don't know why they 'trust me.' Dumb fucks." - Zuckerberg

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If they start doing bad things

They knowingly house hate groups. They've been doing bad things since the start...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

What more does Facebook need to do to convince you they are awful for everyone but the ultra-rich capitalists?

Are you unaware or just ignorant? They caused a fucking genocide FFS.

[–] Toneswirly 14 points 11 months ago

Outing yourself with FUD talk. There are lots of reasons to keep skepticism alive ahead of any wrongdoing, given the difference in motivations between Meta and the Fediverse.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

More interaction is not the same as good interaction.

especially when there is such little harm to us

What's your motivation to be a Lemmy user? What keeps you here?

I am very afraid of what a big American company can do to this community. They see everything as a stepping stone to money.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's interesting how attractive the thought of becoming mainstream is. Bigger = better.

mods and admins would just be slaves to Meta focussed on dealing with their large variety of users rather than trying to grow our own communities.

I wonder if mods & admins would just be overwhelmed, or if Meta would find a way of using their effort and hours to their advantage? ie use them as a free modding force for their product (indirectly). Labour for your Lemmy instance would become labour for Meta.

I'm surprised by your full turnaround in opinion. Some of your earlier thoughts are valid: they probably won't be able to track you any more than they currently can (through read-only Lemmy interaction) and more interaction does have its benefits.

I guess perhaps defederating them now vs later might come down to whether or not you see Meta as a person or a company. If a new person joins/federates then you generally don't want to pre-judge them, even if they've had a bad history you hope they can stick to the rules and participate well. Alas Meta isn't a person, they're a bit more like a government (they're bigger than some nations) and very single minded in their pursuits. They don't have the ability to turn around and go "apologies that I'm hurting people, I'll actually change my ways and start following the values of your community now".