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Hey, German here. What the f*** are Americans doing at the other side of the Atlantic? Some of you already know this monstrosity. I did'nt. This is a Ford F650 Truck and when I stepped out of my Youtube Bubble I realized, it was marketed as the "biggest, baddest Truck on the road" for the everyday American. Are you guys serious?! Is the end goal really to drive a Monster Truck to McDs to get a McFlurry? Americas bloodiest wars have been fought in the middle east to secure oil, bombing nations to rubble. And all, for this bullshit? The excess, waste and decadence is mind boggling to me and people on Reddit seriously justifying this by "you know dude I'm 6,4ft. I don't fit in any other vehicle" makes me go up the wall.

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[–] dual_sport_dork 101 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

This is a really braindead and disingenuous take. The F650 is a commercial vehicle. Attempting to pretend that "Americans" drive these is moronic, because the number of private citizens who drive one of these as a personal vehicle is probably in the triple digits in a country with a population of 332,000,000.

I know it's fasionable to farm for upvotes these days by blaring AMERICANS BIG TRUCKS BAD. But no one is "driving these to McD's to get a McFlurry." Very, very few people own one of these just to be "decadent."

You may as well get on your high horse about Americans driving big rigs all the time while you're at it. Because they totally do!!!!! (It's true!) Ones who are truck drivers, you know, delivering the goods you rely on every day.

On the very outside edge of the graph, there are probably a few outliers who own one of these to tow something enormous: A big horse trailer or a box trailer with their airplane in it or something. I have never seen one of these on the road that wasn't an actual commercial vehicle like a tow truck or similar.

The problem with obviously ridiculous whinging like this is that it dilutes the actual useful message, which is that America's transportation infrastructure is fucked up, and our reliance on fossil fuels (not just trucks) is Too Damn High.

[–] thehorsefromthehorseheresy 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah these communities should be "we are all victims of car dominated society and infrastructure: here is the problem and here are some solutions" but instead they're just people who have never set foot in North America getting triggered by vehicles 90% of the population isn't even aware that it even exists.

[–] dual_sport_dork -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're also living such sheltered and cushy lives that they have the outright luxury of sitting around on the internet bitching that other people should confirm their lifestyles to whatever their unrealistic pipe dream is, and do it overnight.

You're never going to catch me living in a city, ever. Walkable and bikable utopia or not.

[–] aesthelete 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They’re also living such sheltered and cushy lives that they have the outright luxury of sitting around on the internet bitching that other people should confirm their lifestyles to whatever their unrealistic pipe dream is, and do it overnight.

Are you lost? This is the "fuck cars" community.

I think you're looking for the reactionary pedant shithead community or something.

[–] dual_sport_dork 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, sorry! I forgot we weren't allowed to poke a hole in the bubble of your whackdoodle echo chamber.

If you don't want people to criticize your obvious bullshit, don't post it publicly on the internet.

[–] aesthelete -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t want people to criticize your obvious bullshit, don’t post it publicly on the internet.

Do you have the same type of brain hemorrhage you're currently having when someone forwards you a stupid meme on facebook or email? Cuz that's about the quality of the thing you're "criticizing" here.

Also it ain't mine; I didn't post it. I just find it hilarious when people respond to a obvious circlejerk with bitter, weird pedantry in the comments instead of just downvoting it or moving on like most people without a personality disorder would.

[–] dual_sport_dork 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you guys really feel this way you ought to maybe move your community to a little private defederated instance or something, so you can keep your precious circlejerk going away from outside eyes and you won't get you wittle fewwings hurt so much.

[–] aesthelete 1 points 11 months ago

Dude, I'm not even subscribed to this community, and you are the one who sounds like a little triggered baby.

What's going on with you? Your diaper full?

[–] DogWater 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seriously bro. You nailed it. I've seen f 450 and f 550s on the road that do exactly what your talking about. It's honestly common. But they are all commercial trucks. have never seen an f 650 besides on the internet, if I have it's commercial and not in cab form.

The point stands with actual consumer trucks, there's no need to cherry pick this truck and look like a clown.

[–] Tarquinn2049 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But at the very least, there are way too many 350's on the streets compared to the number of people that have any actual reason to own one. And far too many with duelies. You don't have to go all the way to 650 to be getting a little nuts.

[–] Dead_or_Alive 2 points 11 months ago

I’m glad we live in a country where your opinion on what vehicle a person should own or not own is just that… an opinion.

[–] Voyajer 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd agree more if you said F150 instead of F350. F305s are much more likely to actually be used for truck things rather than making people feel manly or whatever since those people aren't likely to spend more for worse ride quality and less mpg.

[–] Tarquinn2049 3 points 11 months ago

That's fair, I should state, my perspective is from living in Alberta. Where high-school kids work out in the oil patch and come back with their first month's pay and put themselves into 10 years of debt with the biggest pickup truck they can get. Then crash it a month later doing 150km/h on a dirt road back up to or down from work. Probably with a few beers in them.

I know that sounds like I'm describing one particular story that I have gotten hung up on, but I personally know at least 4 people where those details fit. The only one that varies between those 4 is whether they had been drinking. And I live in a small town.

It's a bit of a joke around here that half the kids are paying off college debt, and the other half are paying off Truck debt. Although up here college debt doesn't last anywhere near as long as Truck debt.

We do see way too many ornamental 350's here. I assume that's the biggest one you can buy normally or something like that.

[–] qevlarr 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Our message includes "current day cars are Too Damn Big", and this shit is the perfect example.

[–] dual_sport_dork 12 points 11 months ago

It's not, though, because statistically speaking no one is driving it.

[–] jj4211 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The whole point was that this isn't really a day car, except in the minds of non Americans assuming what Americans really drive.

Now of course if they had used an F150, particularly comparing a modern one to what "full size" trucks used to be, fair and accurate point. The standard full size truck including the f150 tries to resemble a big rig a bit too much, just not as insane as the pictured F650 would be if anyone used it as such.

[–] qevlarr -3 points 11 months ago

Give it a couple of years

[–] tigerjerusalem 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My dude, the top 5 cars sold on the USA are Ford trucks, Silverados and RAMs. They might not look like much to you but in any other country those things are humongous. The RAM trucks are an abomination that should never be on regular people's hands, and even a F250 is gigantic if you compare to a regular sedan like a Civic.

[–] SpezBroughtMeHere 5 points 11 months ago

They might not look like much, because they aren't. The trucks you mention are vastly different than the one pictured. Also, "shouldn't be on regular people's hands" doesn't even make sense. The regulating body that ensures the proper training has given me a license stating that I have the ability to drive a truck. I'm a regular person. What are you even trying to get at here?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Nah they're not actually all that big if you take into account what they're designed to do. Maybe even a lil small. How do you expect to load pallets of construction materials in anything smaller? That is, after all, it's intended use. Complain about SUV sizes because those definitely don't have to be so big, but trucks are that size for good reason. People using them as commuters? That's not the truck's fault. Blame the soldier not the gun. Blame the craftsman not the tool. Etc.

[–] Eyelessoozeguy 1 points 11 months ago

I could see a work truck with many heavy tools and spares for hydraulic machinery being one of these trucks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

How is this a practical commercial vehicle? How do you even put something in the back of this thing? Does it come with a loading ramp?

[–] Aux -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

F150 is also a commercial vehicle. Yet it is the single most sold vehicle in the US for decades. For decades, Karl!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Nope, you can buy it as a personal vehicle at any Ford dealership. Just walk in and buy one, and slap personal plates on it. You can't just buy an f650 without calling ahead and ordering one. And even then it's just the frame, drivetrain, and cab. No bed or anything unless you get add-ons. Definitely a different scenario.