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[–] FlyingSquid -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, from Chicago to New York, fine. This is from one airport in the San Francisco area to another airport in the San Francisco area. Give me the logistical reason for that.

[–] FlowVoid 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Elon arrives at one airport. Someone else wants to use his jet, departing from a different airport (Elon isn't the only person who uses that aircraft). The plane is moved empty from one airport to the other.

[–] FlyingSquid -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why can't they just use CalTrans to get to the original airport since it's only five stops between the two and far less polluting?

[–] BigDiction 6 points 1 year ago

The 5 stops on Caltrain between SFO and SJC is disingenuous. Assuming starting at SFO, you need to take BART to Millbrae and then Caltrain to Santa Clara and then a bus to SJC. The whole thing would take like 1hr45min if you timed a baby bullet express train perfectly. But yeah if drove or hired a driver you could get there in 40 min depending on traffic.

[–] FlowVoid 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because the passengers don't know where the aircraft is.

So for instance Musk might say "Gwynne Shotwell needs to fly to Austin on my jet on July 1." Shotwell says "I'll fly out of XXX airport". Then in June, Musk flies to YYY airport.

They aren't going to call Shotwell before her flight and say, "Turns out the plane just landed very close to you. Do you mind flying out of YYY instead to save us some fuel?" They simply reposition the plane.

[–] FlyingSquid 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So in other words, it's to be convenient to Elon and his cohorts. Which is what I said earlier. I'm not sure why you think that's justifiable.

[–] FlowVoid 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's justified because this is how professional pilots are expected to operate. Passengers are not supposed to deal with the logistics of their transportation.

For that matter, it's also how car-sharing is expected to operate. Imagine you took an Uber to your hotel, and the driver said "Hey, my next fare is two blocks from your hotel. So how about I drop you off there, it's just a five minute walk the rest of the way. Plus, it would save me from driving with no passenger for a few minutes, thus wasting fuel."

I think the vast majority of us would consider this unprofessional and respond, "No thanks, drive me all the way to my hotel". Which is why Uber drivers don't actually discuss their next fare with their current passenger.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you saying Elon and Yaccarino don't have limousines that can just drive them to the airport? Instead it's necessary to pollute more?

[–] FlowVoid 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm sure they have limos. Their limo driver is told, "Meet A at B street and bring them to XXX airport by Y pm."

It would be very unprofessional for the pilot to call the driver at the last minute and say, "Change of plans, now you bring them to ZZZ airport, it's a little further away which means you'll have to leave T minutes sooner". Depending on their schedule, A might not even be able to leave T minutes sooner.

We live in a society where staying on schedule is valued way more than reducing carbon emissions. Another thought experiment: you are 30 minutes late to work. Your boss demands an explanation. You say, "I have a very good explanation, today I decided to bike to work instead of drive". That's probably not going to be good enough. You are expected to emit CO2 whenever it's necessary to stay on schedule.

[–] FlyingSquid 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once again, this sounds like justifying pollution for the convenience of the rich.

[–] FlowVoid 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not just the rich. It's everyone who takes a car to work instead of bike, it's everyone who takes an Uber or even a bus instead of walking a mile, it's everyone who demands that stores open on time and packages are delivered on time.

It's hypocritical to hold Musk to a standard that nobody else meets.

[–] FlyingSquid 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of those are anywhere near as polluting as jet fuel. Which has lead in it.

[–] FlowVoid 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's still justifying pollution for your convenience. And a lot more CO2 has been emitted for the convenience of people who aren't rich.

If you live in the US, you are responsible for 3-10X the emissions of people in other countries. You can't justify that by pointing to Musk.

[–] FlyingSquid 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see, so I can't criticize Musk for adding lead to the atmosphere for his personal convenience because I have a carbon footprint.

Logical.

[–] FlowVoid 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Singling someone out for criticism when you do the same is the definition of hypocrisy.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But... I don't do the same. I don't put lead into the atmosphere.

[–] FlowVoid 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've never flown on a commercial aircraft? Or bought anything that was transported by air?

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you saying those aircraft wouldn't have flown if I didn't specifically do those things? Because otherwise, again, not the same.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that's the standard, then Musk is not responsible either. His aircraft would have flown even if he never purchased it.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, that's very comparable. 🙄