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Driverless cars were the future but now the truth is out: they’re on the road to nowhere::The dream of these vehicles ruling the roads remains just that. Focusing on public transport would be much smarter, says transport writer Christian Wolmar

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[–] dustyData 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Yeah, the solution to that is to have local groceries shops where you can go shopping on foot or just with a simply grocery cart walking less than 10 minutes. The idea that you have to haul several tonnes of food from 20+Km away is stupid.

Add: I find laughable how, whenever anyone makes this kind of comments, there comes out of the woodwork the whiny manbabys who assume that it argues for taking away their cars. Read again, never did I suggest to take anyone's car away, I'm making suggestions towards a better city, better living and better infrastructure. It says a lot that you're so openly willing to hurt and inconvenience others to defend against an entirely imaginary threat against your 2 ton toy. A car is a tool, not a personality. And if your personality is your car, I think you have a POS personality.

[–] Xtremis77 7 points 11 months ago

Nooo, 15 minute cities are a communism plot to smoother America with comfort, or something 🤦🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I can walk to a grocery store. I'm not doing it when weather sucks and I have a bunch of stuff.

And public transit to get there would be worse.

Besides, empty busses and empty trains require as much fuel empty as with passengers. They're not as eco friendly as you may think.

And your assumptions about how other people live are stupid. Not everyone has the time to waste walking to get stuff.

This idea of planned cities is naive at the best. Cities grow organically, as things change. You act like cities are static entities that can predict where things will be tomorrow. Naive at best.

Just wait till you get older, where walking, even to the car, is uncomfortable or painful. And I'm not talking old - I was in this kind of pain in my 30's, and still am. Walking from the car into the store sucks, and I'm not as bad off as some people.

You can take my car from my cold, dead, no-longer- in-pain ass.

[–] Moneo 2 points 11 months ago

Ah yes, there's nothing more organic than demolishing black neighborhoods to build highways.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's only feasible if you have a small family, once you have a couple kids and are buying $300 of groceries a week it's not at all feasible to transport that home by walking or using public transportation. Even less so if you're having to transport the kids at the same time. Just carrying in all the food from my driveway to my house takes 15+ minutes, and that's literally like 20 feet.

[–] Moneo 1 points 11 months ago

Bruh my family would make costco trips and absolutely pack the car with groceries, I'm talking trunk full to the ceiling. That shit takes 5 minutes tops to unload with everyone helping. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If raising a family without a car is so difficult then why can so many people manage it fine in other countries?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, everyone has nothing better to do than go shopping daily for anything they need. Nevermind having stores on hand in case you can't go to the store daily, like when we had a pandemic. Plus, we should all pay the maximum "bodega" price for everything, no buying in bulk for things to be cheaper, or just buying at a larger central location where things are cheaper.

This just seems asinine to me.

[–] Moneo 4 points 11 months ago

I suggest you do more research, it's far from asinine. It may seem very strange to someone who has lived their entire life in a car centric city but these ideas have been applied in many cities successfully. The results are a healthier and happier populace.