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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm putting money on Toyota and their Panasonic batteries to build something like a Corolla EV for $25k USD 400 mile range.

Infrastructure is going to have to keep up too. Unless you are in a progressive/new/expensive apartment/neighborhood has reliable access to chargers that's going to have to change before you can start selling EVs to lower and lower middle class. Right now they only make sense of you have a garage to park in.

[–] RupeThereItIs 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Toyota is a bad bet when it comes to EVs.

They clearly have no interest in selling them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they are just being very conservative on their lineup. They'll hold on to hybrids till they can absolutely rock the EV world. Technology that improves EVs generally improves hybrids also and they will just sell better because they are more flexible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well that's not going to work in Europe, where the EV mandates are hitting now. I guess it's Toyota's plan to cede one third of the world car market to European, Chinese and American manufacturers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been openly working on new battery tech that's apparently going to change the entire industry. I'm pretty sure they have plenty of interest in selling them, they just don't have the tech they want for them yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Those types of announcements are their equivalent of Tesla's "full-self driving next year guys!" every year since like 2015?

[–] Buddahriffic 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also power generation capacity needs to increase for everyone to drive EVs. Just think of all the power that is currently handled by burning gas in personal power plants.

Though some of that will be mitigated by less need to refine gas and transport it to every gas station.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This isn't really the case, as there is a lot of spare electrical capacity available at night time, which is when most people charge their cars. That's also when electricity is the cheapest.

We charge our two cars off of a 110 volt charger. They use less electricity than the water heater in our house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This isn't really the case, as there is a lot of spare electrical capacity available at night time, which is when most people charge their cars. That's also when electricity is the cheapest.

We charge our two cars off of a 110 volt charger. It uses less electricity than the water heater in our house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Toyota has been claiming that since 2010. They are no closer to a "solid state battery" that they have been raving about for the last 13 years. They don't even sell electric cars in Japan!

Toyota is widely considered to be the furthest behind the technology curve of all global car manufacturers, aside from maybe Lada.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They've got a huge share of the hybrid market. Why release something sub par (expensive, low range, needs to be plugged in) my guess is they let Tesla and other companies fight it out and learn from them wait for the infrastructure to catch up then sell to the common person not just people who can afford to have a less practical car.