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[–] TechyDad 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Here's a post from someone on Threads declaring that all Jews are legitimate targets. This was in response to an article about a Jewish Temple and Jewish owned bakery in America being vandalized.

I tried arguing with this person and they eventually limited their "it's okay to vandalize" to buildings that fly the Israeli flag - which would be every Jewish Temple in America.

[–] machinin 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, that is helpful.

As a leftist, and being honest about it, I feel the sympathy draining away from me. I see the long-term process of removing Palestinian people from their lands and all the oppression they go through in their daily lives. Then I see the corresponding silence or even intimidation of critics from the Jewish community in America. I disagree with that post you linked to, but I could see how one could evolve into that position as a leftist.

Again, thanks for that post. It helps me see the path I should avoid. We should find other ways to engage the Jewish communities in other countries to become more vocal against the Palestinian genocide by the Israeli government.

[–] TechyDad 1 points 11 months ago

And paths to engage and discuss the issues is definitely the way forward. For example, I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, but when I'm hearing anti-semitic remarks from pro-Palestinian folks, it makes me leery to publicly support the Palestinians. I know it's a vocal minority, but still it's unnerving.

Imagine if you believed a cause, went to march for that cause, and then saw some people calling for violence against you. Would you want to join that march?

No matter how good the cause is, having people there saying that I'm personally to blame because I'm Jewish makes me leery to join the cause.

[–] dangblingus -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, nothing of what they've written here is emblematic of Leftist rhetoric.

[–] SCB 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is entirely coded in left language.

"Open air prison," indiscriminately slaughtering 2.3 million people,' even the tumblr-esque "not repeat NOT" framing are all indicative of left language

If you don't believe me, here's the exact same thing said but just with right-coding. It's gonna sound really weird.

"Vandalizing a zionist symbol, when the zionists have been responsible for the deaths of thousands while taking billions of our dollars in foreign aid, is just freedom of speech. Wake up, repadamschiff

Focuses on monetary cost, "freedoms," and downplays the Israeli/Gazan rift for the more neutral "thousands." I threw in the "wake up" too since that's been heavily co-opted, but isn't technically a right-flag

People in different communities code their languag for their in-group and if you pay attention it's pretty easy to find, once you catch the commonalities.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh hey it's this screenshot again, that still isn't antisemitic.

[–] TechyDad 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So saying that attacking American Jewish places of worship and American Jewish owned businesses because of things Israel has done isn't anti-semitic? At what point does attacking Jews become anti-semitic to you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't fly the flag of Isreal if you disagree with what the government of Isreal is doing, pretty obvious...

Violence and vandalism aren't the same thing BTW

Let me explain this further, imagine a German person during the Nazis reign in Germany lives in the US, if they fly the flag of the Nazis, do you think they're endorsing what the government of Germany is doing? If someone vandalized their flag because they disagreed with what Nazi German was doing, would you consider that to be anti-german or anti-nazi?

Let me be absolutely clear, I don't condone violence against any one aside from in self defense, I think everyone deserves the right to try and find happiness and meaning in life as long as it doesn't come at the cost of other people's well being. I don't consider vandalizing a flag of a country that is committing war crimes to be violence against people. Just like I wouldn't think burning or otherwise vandalizing a US flag for all the shit the US has done is anti-American (the people who live in America or were born there and moved out of state vs the government/people in power in the US) but nuance is hard apparently.

[–] kaffiene 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Synagogues represent Jewish faith, not the government of Israel. There's a very very important distinction there and failing to make it is a serious issue

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe Jewish synagogues shouldn't fly the flag of Isreal if they don't agree with what the government is doing then? It's not saying anything about Synagogues specifically in the screenshot.

[–] kaffiene 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

FFS do you actually think every synagogue in the world supports Israel? Plenty of Jews have spoken out against Israel's actions. Yet your world view holds that we should attack their places of worship. That's disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I literally didn't say that, and I know for a fact many Jewish people don't support Israel.

Is it a requirement for a synagogue to fly the flag of Isreal? Again that's literally indicating that they support the state and what it's doing.

Once again vandalizing a flag and attacking Jewish people isn't the same thing in the slightest.

Idk how more clear I can be, you're literally misinterpreting what I'm saying and what the post is saying to make it look anti-Jewish when it's only anti-Isreal.

I'll say this as plainly as possible, I'm not racist, I'm not religious, I don't support Hamas, I don't support Israel. I support people's right to exist and their pursuit of happiness to the extent that it doesn't negatively effect or harm other people's lives.

[–] kaffiene 0 points 11 months ago

But you think that if a synagogue flies the star of David - which everyone I've seen does - then you believe that means they must support Israel and are therefore valid targets and noone should feel that their place of worship being attacked is in any way aimed at them?