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The last time this happened, voters didn’t credit Bill Clinton. That may be a bad omen, or a good one.

If the stock market chose presidents, Joe Biden would be a shoo-in for reelection in 2024. The market rallied this month amid growing optimism about the economy, with the S&P 500 zooming 1.9 percent Tuesday on news that the consumer price index rose only 3.2 percent in October (compared to 3.7 percent in September). Stocks rallied again Wednesday on news that the producer price index fell 0.5 percent. Commentators are no longer debating whether the economy will experience a “soft landing” (i.e., a reduction in inflation without recession). The only question now is when it will arrive. The S&P 500 seems to have decided it’s already here.

But the stock market doesn’t choose presidents. Voters do, and polls continue to show they think the economy is in terrible shape. A Financial Times–Michigan Ross Nationwide Survey conducted November 2–7 is absolutely brutal on this point.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The Democrats' propaganda game is miserable in 2023. The big difference is that Clinton promoted himself effectively. Remember when George Stephenopolous called George HW Bush on Larry King's show back in 1992, just to humiliate him? Remember Clinton's bulldog communications officer, James Carville? Back in the 1990s, Democrats knew how to puff up their accomplishments and tear down their opponents. Now, they're too timid to try. Time to drop this pathetic facade of objectivity and civility and fight, HARD. Their lives as a political party depend on it. OUR lives depend on it.

[–] Dkarma 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I never thought I'd see the day when carville is propped up as the paradigm of what a Democrat should be.

Bernie Sanders is what a Democrat should be and he's been fighting basically alone since the 60s.

You're right about their messaging tho. This is a direct reflection of rejecting the progressive wing which is mostly young people.

If the Dems would get their shit together and brace the next generation thos would be no contest.

[–] Orbituary 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's not that Carville is a hero. It's just that he did what our current Dems won't. I wish our team would be half as aggressive as the GOP. We would have a more solid standing with less effort. "Humans > corporations." Done.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think most of the establishment actually believes that, is the problem.

[–] Orbituary 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They don't. But you answer the problem in your statement when you say "the establishment."

It should be abolished somehow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I am hopeful that with things like unionization movements gaining steam, and the ease of communication of social media, that some capable young people will be spurred into running for office this decade. It really needs to be a grassroots movement IMO.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Their donors with deep pockets don't like that message, best we can do is Humans >= Corporations.

[–] Orbituary 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not popular to say, but when people like Pelosi who make millions on insider trading stay in office for decades, it's not because of their policy. It's how much money they generate for the party.

I want a party for the people which protects our rights to healthcare, education, housing, wages, and food. The rest is up to us.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Also because committee memberships are determined by how long you’ve been in office. Hence Feinstein.

[–] Ensign_Crab 4 points 11 months ago

I wish our team would be half as aggressive as the GOP.

They are. They just direct that aggression at the left of their own party instead of to the right.

“Humans > corporations.” Done.

Not in Carville's party.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

The Democrats have been bringing spoons to a gunfight since the 70s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The current Democratic party doesn't want to fight. It's pathetic, and it is difficult to vote for "pathetic" even when the alternative is... well... you know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You mean there is a flaw to the strategy of repeating, "listen, Jack, the economy has never been better, and you're an idiot if you don't see that"?