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Matrix and clients for it like Element have always been my go to for federated chat like discord/teams/mattersmost. The main missing feature is voice channels imho.
Which is coming. Eventually. At some point.
Man I hope so! The beta is out for element support https://call.element.io
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The lack of voice channels is huge for something that looks like it is trying to be a discord alternative. I really can’t believe it still isn’t really implemented.
Honestly though even setting aside the lack of voice channels there is a bigger issue. Getting people to switch to something like matrix. I have so much trouble trying to get my group to switch to ANYTHING new. Tried to get them to switch from iMessage to telegram or signal. They tried it for a day and then went back. Getting them to switch from razer comms to discord was even a removed back in the day. People just don’t like trying new things.
Sorry for the rant I just find this endlessly frustrating. Lol.
To be fair, Matrix is not exactly trying to be a "discord alternative" so much as an "all messaging platforms alternative", but it's still embarrassing that this feature is not present yet. It's been heavily requested by the discord crowd for years, and should have been a higher priority.
As for friends switching, at least Matrix has bridges and puppeting/double-puppeting support. Unfortunately, I don't think discord voice channel bridging/puppeting will ever work, so it's really not that useful in this instance. I know ripcord has voice channel interop so it is technically possible, but it's probably too hacky/abusive to put in officially, and it would probably only work with puppeting.
Calling other people's work embarrassing is easy when you're not the one building or contributing to the codebase. Implementing voice chat is no easy task, and it's all done voluntarily in people's free time.
Firstly, Matrix has plenty of paid developers that work on it - this is not even close to a passion project made by volunteers in their free time.
Secondly, I'm not saying the work is embarrassing (the work is nothing short of incredible), I'm saying the priority to leave this feature on the backburner for years is. They likely ended up with more important priorities and didn't have enough resources to dedicate, but on a practical level the lack of hotjoin voice channels sticks out like a sore thumb to new users.
I've been championing Matrix for about 4-5 years now, and it's been so long since this feature was requested/promised that it's at the point where I'm too "embarrassed" to try to convince people to switch anymore. People just expect this feature in a messaging platform nowadays, and if it's not there they're going to leave immediately. When this makes it into stable with a good UX, I'll be back on the new user pipeline.
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Matrix Spaces are broken enough. Even Conduit doesn't support that feature. Don't expect Matrix to fully resemble Discord, not even Cinny. Matrix is meant for secure conversations.
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I feel your pain. I once wanted to guide my buddies away from WA and had them in a Telegram group. And you know what the comment was? 'Boring, nothing happening here.' That's like complaining that nothing happens in a phone booth.... everyone, except for me, went back to WA. 🤷
WA is better atleast you got E2E encryption there. It works or not well that's an another question.
What's WA?
WhatsApp
The only way for people to move is for the other platforms to:
You saw this all the time on Reddit, people said they won't try anything new unless it already has a community as big as Reddit, but if this is the default opinion, how does anything new emerge?
I also love Matrix, but I know zero people who use it because everyone is just on Discord because everyone else is there.
Try changing your group.
Aren't voice and video calls (basically VoIP) what Turn (coturn) is supposed to support?
https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/v1.41/turn-howto.html
TURN is only used as a relay. It's just a low(er)level transport layer, not specific to VoIP. Typically it is used as fallback when P2P communication between the attendees is not possible (for example due to a restrictive firewall).
I haven't had Element crash on me in a while, but that was a big annoyance for me too for a long time.
I hear everyone talk about element but when i go to check it out i see it is minimum 50 users. Am i missing the smaller tier?
To clarify, that's for them hosting the service for you, and is intended for enterprises mainly. You can self host element, since it's open source, while only paying your own server costs, or just use an existing instance like on https://app.element.io
Self hosting might make sense on that small of a scale.