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I got this game to play with my wife and her family. The characters are adorable, the levels are full of charm, the music is outstanding, and the platforming is really tight.

However, the multiplayer is an exercise in frustration.

  1. The camera constantly jumps ahead at minimal prompts, forsaking anyone who isn’t adept enough to get every jump as perfectly as the best player, even if that player is the kind who is inclined to wait. The camera just makes whoever it follows into an ass to the other players.
  2. Online connection options aren’t intuitive. It cannot even be disabled in the middle of a level. You have to quit, run somewhere on the map, disable it there, go back and restart the level. Contrary to the intent, it takes you completely out of the game.
  3. There is no shared progression with online friends. If a step is particularly complicated and you leave your friend behind, you don’t really have a means to “carry” them through the level or get the items for them. If they get stuck and you want to progress together, you just have to wait in the over world until they struggle it out for themselves. Otherwise hope they understand you as you try to explain what buttons they need to press, when and where. I think my wife and I spent an hour in online co-op with her parents just waiting for them to finish a challenge that her father refused to give up on. We ended up not doing anything else that night and a bit disappointed in ourselves.

I just don’t know why they needed to go with this whole ghost thing. Just let 4 of us play in the same world, the same levels, and collect the same resources. Why is that so hard?

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[–] echo64 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

some perverts on Pictochat scared them so bad

let's not downplay what actually happened there. what Nintendo did in response was the correct decision. paedophiles are much more than "some perverts"

[–] pory 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The correct response to pedos or whatever on your social service is moderating your social service. Every service has pedos and nazis until they're sufficiently discouraged by being banned and reported to authorities often enough.

Nintendo's response was "welp, we tried. Guess there's no way at all to let people meet each other and socialize through our games, because any form of communication can also be used for exposing children to sexual predators"

[–] echo64 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You want nintendo to review every single message sent in every language worldwide? All for the sake of a silly messaging platform no one needed?

I realize that won't happen, and that we don't need to send each other drawings via our nintedo system, I think it's a good thing to shut down avenues that give pedophiles direct access to children don't you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How do other platforms, such as Sony, steam, discord, Microsoft, etc handle such things? Maybe we need to shut down those things too, eh? Can’t be too safe for the children!

[–] echo64 -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Parental controls that functionally block the capability to communicate, or they just don't, and kids get abused.

Suppose a few molested kids is a price worth paying for you!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Your logic:
Video game message boards = kids getting molested and nothing else.

I feel sorry for you.

[–] echo64 -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, no, there were kids getting molested and also other things. I don't think that a few kids getting molested is worth being able to send stupid drawings to each other. How about you? Do you think a few kids getting molested is worth it, so you can do that? Is there a number of kids that make you say oh okay that's too many kids being molested ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No I don’t think it’s worth it at all. Actually, do you think being able to drive to work is worth kids being run over as well? I don’t. Maybe car manufacturers should stop selling cars. Unless of course you think it’s okay for children to get run over. Surely you don’t. On that front, maybe we should close down playgrounds, unless you think it’s okay for children to get molested, because that happens in playgrounds as well. Surely you’re not okay with children being molested in playgrounds so you shouldn’t be okay with playgrounds altogether. This is how sense is made!

[–] echo64 -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

if there is a playground that molesters use to molest children, i 100% guarantee that the playground gets shut down.

I'm glad we agree that there is a systematic problem with people killing children with cars though, i agree we should be getting rid of cars from pedestrian areas. good we agree.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why stop at cars? Or even pedestrian areas? Get rid of busses, scooters, skateboards, trains, airplanes! They all put children at risk. Better to take things away from everyone else than just to actually do something to fight the offenders!

[–] echo64 -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i can barely see the goalposts at this point my dude. but yes if children are being molested we should consider, how many children are worth being molested for this thing to continue.

you're not gonna change my mind on that, and you're viewpoint seems to be that there is an acceptable amount of molested children so that you can send people drawings on a 3DS. cool, we very much disagree. my acceptable number is 0.

it's a shame you can't disable inbox replies on lemmy yet, but I'm so tired of this conversation, you won't change your mind, you aren't enlightening mine. you're just using massive hyperbole and coming off silly. I'm over it, so that's all I'll say. I'm not gonna respond again. have a good rest of your day. this conversation got neither of us anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I’m coming off as silly because the whole premise is silly. I’m just exaggerating it to make my point. Simple moderation would have solved the problem like it does anywhere else, but instead Nintendo opted for the lazy route and just nuked the whole thing for everybody. I never cared about picto-chat either way, I just think that approach is beyond stupid.

[–] pory 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Every method of communication known to man short of identity verified adult-only channels is a potential direct route of communication from a child to a pedophile. No, I don't think that Lemmy, Discord, Reddit, Xbox Live, PSN, Steam, Twitter, Tumblr, XMPP, Signal, 4chan, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Messenger, SMS, Neopets, Geocities, Kik, Club Penguin, or IRC should be shut down because of that potential abuse case, and I don't think that Nintendo should avoid a decent friending/communication infrastructure because of it. And I've been using some of those services since i was a child. And no, I don't think that wholesale banning kids from communicating online so that companies get to distance themselves from abuse is the right answer either. But just not having a communication system because maybe someone will use it for child abuse or drug deals or media piracy or coordinating the assassination of the President?