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man, of all the times to accidentally a word in a post, he threw an extra "to" into his post making fun of people's grammar. Unless he's trying to use "to English" as a verb, which seems unlikely.

When I did research a couple days to decide between Librewolf or Waterfox or Floorp, I checked out Librewolf's excellent FAQ page, which says that by default it purges history.

On iOS your option is Safari and that's what you've been using, even if the icon says Firefox or Chrome or Brave. It's against Apple store TOS to have a web browser with an engine in it - they all have to be skins for Safari (Webkit). Different "iOS Browsers" will offer features on top of the Safari that actually does the browsing though, like account sync or built-in ad filtering.

The only platforms out there that are more hostile to open source software than iOS are like, game consoles.

Any downstream fork of Firefox. All the good of Firefox and Gecko (including addons), none of the Mozilla corporation. The most popular ones seem to be Waterfox and Floorp (for "most users") and LibreWolf for privacy diehards.

You can copy your Firefox profile folder directly into a fork's profile folder and have everything exactly as you left it (though doing this to Librewolf will likely overwrite some of Librewolf's privacy-first default settings like purging history every time the browser closes)

On iOS you are already stuck with every browser being a Safari+Webkit skin. Even Chrome "Isn't chromium" on iphones. But mobile iOS "Firefox" can still use Mozilla (or self-hosted) sync to desktop Waterfox (etc).

Okay but nobody in this thread criticized Ladybird for being incomplete. It was only mentioned by someone who dropped Firefox for Librewolf as something on their radar to maybe switch to in the future when it's complete. If someone wants to swap browsers right now, Ladybird is not a reasonable consideration, but people are keeping it in the conversation as something to follow in the future.

The thing is, I don't want Mozilla to be "really this shouldn't be called selling" my info either. This was my call to jump ship to a fork that doesn't give any data to Mozilla in the first place by adopting a downstream fork.

I probably already wasn't giving Mozilla any data to "not sell" in the first place, since I've got telemetry disabled and used about:config to strip out all of their non-browsing functions. But why trust a "probably" that also inevitably needs more attention when they roll in some AI assistant nonsense I don't want (or whatever) when I can just find a fork of their FOSS product that's run by people that don't want my data in the first place?

Ah, makes sense (though one of those Librewolf default settings is to delete your history and cookies on logout). I went with Waterfox myself because I don't consider my privacy needs to outweigh my convenience preferences that much, but it's really good that Librewolf exists for those that do want privacy at the cost of annoyances. Being able to have that "fully hardened" experience in one click is huge, since the Venn diagram of "people with strict privacy needs" and "people with tech skills" is not a circle.

Yeah, I'd imagine you need to set your settings up to non-default in Librewolf or else you'll import your browsing history and signed-in sites and then Librewolf will dutifully delete it all when you close the browser lmao

the user you're replying to misspelled it, it's Floorp. Yes it's a goofy-ass name lmao

Just FYI, ditching Mozilla doesn't necessarily mean ditching "Firefox". I've been a user of Firefox since it came out, switched to it from Netscape Navigator. On Saturday I decided I'd had enough of Mozilla's corporate ass-kissery and moved to Waterfox. The process was:

Install Waterfox.

In Firefox and Waterfox, go to about:support and open the profile folder.

Close Firefox and Waterfox.

Copy all contents of the Firefox profile folder to the Waterfox one, allowing overwrite.

Start up Waterfox. All my addons, history, login sessions, settings, EVERYTHING is exactly where I left it.

The latest change isn't anything yet, but it definitely drew enough attention to Mozilla's advertising and AI divisions to cause long term FF advocates like me to start looking into how to pull as much Mozilla as possible out of Firefox. I swapped to Waterfox and it was a totally painless transition - just copy the profile folder and done.

If you're picking between Browser A which has ads on the new tab page, telemetry, Pocket in the UI and right click menu, and promotes a paid VPN subscription (but you can turn all of those off if you know where to dig in the settings) or Browser B which is the same browser but without any of those things, why stick with A?

Mozilla can keep being the most ethical and user-first corporation in the browsing space (by far), but firefox's users don't have to have a corporation in charge of their browser at all. The best CEO is one that doesn't exist. The best profit model is one that doesn't exist.