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[–] VaultBoyNewVegas 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (42 children)

This is completely stupid. If Hamas are hiding in hospitals then surely there's a better fucking way to target them than trying to blow the whole fucking place up. One way would be to send a strike team, after all Israel and Mossad are "famous" for hunting terrorists down after the Munich bombing at the Olympics. Yet the same country can only now resort to cutting off infrastructure and bombing refugee camps, ambulances, schools and hospitals plus which is killing aid workers and drs.

[–] MindSkipperBro12 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t know how strike teams work and such but I doubt it’s as easy as in Call of Duty.

[–] shalafi 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

OP's a child who's never dealt with violence, war or destroyed infrastructure.

My ex-FIL was a decorated Army vet (Iraq, 2x Bronze Stars), Mississippi National Guard. FFS, those men couldn't get into their own cities after Hurricane Katrina, in peacetime. They cut fucking houses in half and pushed them aside to open the roads.

Send in a strike team?! To a civilian hospital in a war zone?! That's a solid plan to get your men killed on the incursion, OR, get a bunch of civilians killed and THEN lose all your men.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, for starters your own people are going to get killed.

It would probably have fewer casualties on the enemy side however since some of them might actually live. However, Israel's goal is not to allow Hamas members to survive.

[–] WhatAmLemmy 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would only make sense if the goal wasn't revenge and ethnic cleansing.

[–] avater 25 points 1 year ago (22 children)

This is not as easy as you think. You have to get your team to the target, through terrorists hiding among civilians, through IDE’s that are hidden along the way, through civilians that do not like you. And if you miraculously survive this march without heavy casualties the Hamas are already gone and hide somewhere else…not to forget the civilian casualties that would happen on the way…

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] gedaliyah 23 points 1 year ago

Exactly! It surely can't be harder to fight 30,000 embedded terrorists than 8 scattered terrorists in hiding.

I think Israel should give them supplies to continue operation until they can be evacuated. And also Israel should give them notice of evacuation weeks in advance so they can prepare. And Israel should be expected to provide alternate medical care.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a war, so you are basically talking about an urban assault involving thousands of IDF infantry kicking doors down house to house and shooting anyone who shoots at them.

The US did that in Fallujah, and it's pretty gnarly. US had 500 casualties IIRC. The US also told all the residents to evacuate Fallujah before the operation went down.

[–] TotallynotJessica 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's why they're using this strategy. If there were a ton of Israeli soldier casualties on Bibi's watch, the military might let the public remove him from power, or do it themselves. Netanyahu has every motivation to bomb and starve Gaza. The actual solution would have been to build up Palestinian groups who oppose Hamas and prefer a two state solution, but that isn't the IDF's goal. Their refusal to do so over the last few decades not only led to this war, but should have told supportive nations that too many Zionists are genocidal theocrats.

The most economical endgame for Israel's current military actions is the forceful expulsion of almost all Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. Occupation is a bad option. They've undermined the movement for coexistence so badly that even a total reversal of policy would be difficult. It's so fucking sad.

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[–] Linkerbaan 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America tried bombing a million innocent civilians from the comfort of their lazy ass Texas seat too. Remind me whether they won that war. Surely they didn't leave a giant power vacuum and created many more resistance fighters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Majority of deaths in iraq were during the civil war and the insurgency that followed, the 1 million figure that gets banded about with little evidence is in no way "civillians killed by NATO".

[–] Linkerbaan 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America purposely targeted civilian infrastructure at the start of their attack to cripple and kill the population and ruin their economy. They did not target military goals.

The 1 million figure is widely accepted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree, but given that the majority of the deaths happened uears later I think its niave to suggest that the USA killed 1 million iraqis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The irony of hiding in a hospital when you literally cause war.

Doesn't it make more sense to argue that the person dropping bombs just doesn't want to admit they missed the target and fucked thousands of people because they're shit at their job? If you were fighting an alien or hunting a foreign agent, and you screwed up and accidentally shot your own family down in flames, you'd probably be rather embarrassed, I sure would be too haha

But hey it's alright nobody will judge even if they knew because the truth is that some jobs suck and just get glamorised on the news and in the media precisely because even the very few who make the cut can still be considered competent

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