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Gerrymandered Ohio Republican lawmakers are already scheming to attack voters over election results
(ohiocapitaljournal.com)
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Protesting without voting is just taking a loud walk. It's easy for politicians to ignore you if you don't ever show up at the polls. That would be like a bunch of people protesting outside a McDonald's because the food is unhealthy and then eating at that McDonald's for their lunch break. Definitely protest but back that protesting up with voting.
Yes, I never meant protesting without voting. In this case people DID vote. But their decision is being ignored. I don't think the reasonable thing to do in such case is to wait peacefully for another election!
I must have misunderstood. I apologize
My dawg WE DID VOTE. I VOTED. I VOTED FOR BOTH OF THE ISSUES IN THIS POST AND THE PARTY IN POWER IS STILL SAYING FUCK YOU.
Sorry for the all caps but like, c'mon guy, do you think people aren't voting? We fucking voted! We did it! We did the thing people have always told us to do and the Republicans are still getting their way! Just voting isn't cutting it anymore! Stop telling people just to vote, and stop belitting other valid forms that the voting populace can use to enact change!
People vote once and a while. In the 2020 presidential election voter turn out spiked. The 2022 midterm though? 46%
You want to protest? Go for it.
You want to scream in all caps? Go for it
You want to say "fuck the fascists" or talk about what you'll do to them? Go for it
Do whatever you want. As long as one of the things you do is vote.
It's much easier if you ONLY show the at the polls and only for them no matter what.
That's why you have to vote in the primary. AOC should have taught you that. Also, did you happen to see the last sentence in that previous comment?
The primary controlled by the very party actively fighting progressives. The party that argued in court that selecting the candidate themselves is within their rights? Yeah, that's a fair contest for sure 🙄
You're so incredibly pessimistic. Then how did Ocasio-Cortez beat Crowley in 2018? He had been in Congress for twenty years and was the chair of the House Democratic Caucus! If "the party" controlled the primary why would they "let" her win? The only way things can ever get better is by voting.
A rare and momentous triumph. That someone exceptional like AOC with an exceptional grassroots organisation behind her can do it once doesn't mean that it's easy or even, in most cases, possible for others.
Odd thing to keep repeating on a post about people betrayed by the very people you advocate voting for as "the only way" 🙄
Wait first it was:
Then it became:
Does "the party" determine the primary or do the voters? It's one or the other.
It was a rare and momentous triumph for AOC to win a primary that was controlled by the very people actively fighting progressives.
Which part don't you understand?
If the party controlled the primary then Crowley would have won. I don't like arguments where everything is X but if Y happens that just proves X. I see it as flawed logic.
You're conflating the impossible and the improbable/exceptional.
You're acting like either there's no control from the party or there's total control. It's the kind of flawed logic called a false dichotomy.
Think of it like this: if one runner is chained to a post and the other is unhindered, the first runner has no chance. That's what it's like if the Democratic Party has TOTAL control of the contest.
Imagine, on the other hand, one runner has weights on her wrists and ankles totalling 4 pounds and the other is unencumbered. While it's not impossible for a MUCH better runner to win, it's not a fair competition and only exceptional runners will overcome the unequal treatment and still win.
The latter example is how Democratic Party primaries are. Progressive candidates are wearing the weights, even incumbents.
My whole argument has been that more people should vote. That more people should engage politically. Meaning they educate themselves and they vote in every election they can. Do you sincerely think that if voter participation rose from 2022's 46% to 60 or 70% that we would have better politicians or worse politicians? I think we'd have better people running for office and being elected to office. That's the bottom line of my argument.
And the bottom line of MY argument is that, while we should definitely vote, voting alone doesn't fix the broken system that lead to the perpetual lesser evil choices in most general elections.
Im glad we agree that we should definitely vote.