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Gerrymandered Ohio Republican lawmakers are already scheming to attack voters over election results
(ohiocapitaljournal.com)
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A rare and momentous triumph. That someone exceptional like AOC with an exceptional grassroots organisation behind her can do it once doesn't mean that it's easy or even, in most cases, possible for others.
Odd thing to keep repeating on a post about people betrayed by the very people you advocate voting for as "the only way" 🙄
Wait first it was:
Then it became:
Does "the party" determine the primary or do the voters? It's one or the other.
It was a rare and momentous triumph for AOC to win a primary that was controlled by the very people actively fighting progressives.
Which part don't you understand?
If the party controlled the primary then Crowley would have won. I don't like arguments where everything is X but if Y happens that just proves X. I see it as flawed logic.
You're conflating the impossible and the improbable/exceptional.
You're acting like either there's no control from the party or there's total control. It's the kind of flawed logic called a false dichotomy.
Think of it like this: if one runner is chained to a post and the other is unhindered, the first runner has no chance. That's what it's like if the Democratic Party has TOTAL control of the contest.
Imagine, on the other hand, one runner has weights on her wrists and ankles totalling 4 pounds and the other is unencumbered. While it's not impossible for a MUCH better runner to win, it's not a fair competition and only exceptional runners will overcome the unequal treatment and still win.
The latter example is how Democratic Party primaries are. Progressive candidates are wearing the weights, even incumbents.
My whole argument has been that more people should vote. That more people should engage politically. Meaning they educate themselves and they vote in every election they can. Do you sincerely think that if voter participation rose from 2022's 46% to 60 or 70% that we would have better politicians or worse politicians? I think we'd have better people running for office and being elected to office. That's the bottom line of my argument.
And the bottom line of MY argument is that, while we should definitely vote, voting alone doesn't fix the broken system that lead to the perpetual lesser evil choices in most general elections.
Im glad we agree that we should definitely vote.