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[–] irotsoma 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We really need some upstream minimums as well. That causes so much lag for me. Most plans are 1 up even with 100 down. I have a 200/10 plan now and it's difficult to do work with the maybe 5 that I get in practice if I'm lucky, especially after overhead from VPN.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Most plans are 1 up even with 100 down

That can't be right. I thought Australia's 100/20 plans had pathetic upload speeds but that's unreal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Most broadband access in the US is via coax. And the coax companies refuse to let cable TV, and the packages they can bundle, die. So the portion of the coax that would allow for symmetrical service instead brings all the channels you didn't buy because everyone streams now.

[–] yuknowhokat 12 points 1 year ago

I have Spectrum here in the southeast of the United States. My plan is 300 down 12 up. That pathetic upload speed needs to change for the better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here in Sweden most people have optic fiber with AT LEAST 100/100 speeds. You gotta try if you want lower than that / if you want asymmetrical speeds.

[–] EncryptKeeper 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right now in a lot of states Verizon has a monopoly on symmetrical internet service. I can’t ever switch ISPs because I can’t get 400/400 anywhere else.

[–] irotsoma 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

God I wish we had that here. We are pretty much stuck with Comcast as the only option in many places since they were granted a monopoly for so long and the phone company never really expanded much. DSL is too slow in most places. Like I think I can only get 100/1 where I am now, but the last place I was at which was not exactly rural at all, was max 12m/768k. In my current place I do have one other option which is another cable provider. They offer the exact same as Comcast for slightly less money, but the primary reason I use them is because they don't have a monthly data cap. With my wife and I working from home plus our personal streaming, we would exceed the cap and have to pay a significant amount to increase it.

[–] EncryptKeeper 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah ISPs are doing rural America really dirty. I didn’t even know monthly data caps existed with home internet until somebody from a rural town mentioned it. The only internet with monthly data caps around here is cell service and even then that’s usually unlimited now.

I do a lot of download and upload and one month I realized I accidentally moved like 30 TB that month.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] EncryptKeeper 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a home server which is used for quite a bit. Bunch of web apps including storage so downloading stuff to my phone over the internet means upload from my server, also multimedia too (That I actually pay for) via Plex, music, and podcasts. Photo hosting, sharing, and backups.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah yaeh that would do it.

[–] irotsoma 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean right now I'm in a relatively major city in the US (like 750K population), and the previous place I was just inside a major suburb (like 150K population). Rural is just plain screwed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] EncryptKeeper 2 points 1 year ago

Fios, it’s fiber.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have Verizon 5g with the ultra wideband service. Tower is on a light post on the street corner, speeds max out around 700/70 for me. 400/400 sounds like Fios which is a fiber service.

[–] uis -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is this possible? Most of network hardware is symmetric. It doesn't make sense.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cable Internet / DOCSIS splits bandwidth in a way that greatly prioritizes download over upload.

[–] uis 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean network hardware between providers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's a last-mile thing. Artificially boosts the download numbers which most customers look at.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't DOCSIS 4.0 support 10gbps down and 6gbps up?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The biggest benefit of DOCSIS 4.0 is the ability to dynamically reallocate bandwidth between upload and download.

[–] irotsoma 12 points 1 year ago

In addition to cable being the primary means of providing service in the US which does allow for this, there are two reasons for doing it. First, down is all that is advertised. Up is only mentioned in small print usually. And second, the major ISPs and the content companies have merged so it's an anti-"piracy" measure. It significantly impacts torrent seeding and hosting sites using residential Internet service.