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[–] Someology 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are also millions of people with intellectual challenges and horrid childhoods who do NOT go out and murder people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People react differently to being abused by people and society for years and years, until they have every last ounce of hope drained from them.

[–] greenmarty 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes but it doesn't mean it's excusable or justifiable to murder innocent people.

[–] Pogbom 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn another strawman! He didn't say "ehh let's forgive him, he had it rough". It's just an explanation for why it probably happened.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They claim it's 100% societies fault. So even while trying to defend they remove all agency from this guy. Yes, let's work to improve systems to give everyone a better shake, but don't discard his own horrible actions.

[–] greenmarty 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Post itself sugests it's society fault not his as if making him innocent. If someone is strawman it is you for picking things out of context.

[–] Pogbom -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is morally innocent though which is the point, even if he's criminally guilty. The strawman is hearing "we can't be surprised and we can still feel bad for him" and equating that to saying "he should be let go!". He can still be guilty for his actions even though it's almost entirely society's fault.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is morally innocent

No he's not, because once again the vast majority of people who have bad childhoods and mental challenges don;t go murdering people. He is in no way morally innocent.

[–] Kolrami 1 points 1 year ago

The fact that anybody thinks otherwise is really suspicious. Some dudes in suits are going to start monitoring this thread.

[–] LazyBane 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody is justifying anything. If we want to stop these things from happening we need to actually understand why they happen.

[–] greenmarty 1 points 1 year ago

Post itself suggests its somehow excusable I disagree.
To me makes sense to stea money but to kill other just for sake of killing them is closer to serial killer thinking than desperation .

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No the deciding factor is to decide at some point that others are supposedly at fault for your problems and that they deserve to be hurt for it.

[–] Cypher -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

others are supposedly at fault

So you're saying it's his fault his mother drank and that he was abused by his foster parents?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

???

It's his fault that he killed people.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because of his problems, that largely weren't his fault.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your mental health issues are never your fault - but always your responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As stated in the greentext, his problems were society's fault. He was responsible for the consequences of his actions though.

[–] greenmarty 2 points 1 year ago

I think @[email protected] want to say that those murdered people were thought by the killer to be at fault for killer's problems they had nothing to do with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you think is the difference between people who decide to hurt and murder others and those who don't?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not an authority on criminal psychology. You should look on Google Scholar.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

100% this is such a bad strawman.