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I don't know anyone who has raped or murdered, men or women. Do you have a source for your claim?
Elliot Rodgers
Jake Davison
Unnamed Toronto mass murderer
All of these from Wikipedia
So a dozen incidents? Not exactly the constant attacks you claimed exist
A dozen high profile incidents. Mass shootings and the like. There are many, many more that outright go unreported, often because they don't look that different from standard DV cases, of which there are simply too many to put in the news.
I'm not defending the monsters that commit these acts. But again you're making claims about the motivation for these crimes without a source.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/26/large-rise-in-men-referred-to-prevent-over-women-hating-incel-ideology
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/30/global-incel-culture-terrorism-misogyny-violent-action-forums
https://www.mccaininstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/incel-and-misogynist-violent-extremism-read-ahead-materials-august-2.pdf
Here are some sources
Source one
Source two
Source three
Seriously, try harder.
So a dozen attacks? Not really the mass scale violence you claimed is it? Seriously, try harder.
Ooooh, nice moving of the goalposts! First, it hasn't happened, and then when I give you three results from a quick Google search, now it's not on a mass scale.
Oh, but here's a report from the US Secret Service about the growing security threat from incel men.
"Women are the real incels!" Huh. And I guess that goes right along with, "Antifa are the real fascists!".
But here's a better question: what evidence would you accept?
If by "moving the goalposts" you mean holding you to your original claim then sure I guess
I said, "Unfortunately, incels tend to commit and encourage rape and murder."
You said:
I provided three sources from a very brief Google search for "incel murder"; they were literally the top 3 results for me. So know you know of at least 3 incels that have committed mass shootings and/or mass murder due explicitly to their ideology. You then moved the goal posts by claiming that it wasn't on a mass scale. And yet, all three of the cases I cited were people that committed mass shootings, so I'm not sure what you mean by "mass scale"; do you meant that every person that's been black-pilled needs to be committing mass murders before you will agree that it's a problem? What percentage of people need to commit murders, or attempt to, based on incel beliefs, before you would agree that male incels are a bigger problem than femcels are?
So, again: what evidence will you accept?