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All 10 of the largest U.S. meat and dairy companies have lobbied against environmental and climate policies, resisting climate regulations, including rules on greenhouse gases and emissions reporting. This is according to a study by New York University, which examined the political influence of the 10 largest meat and dairy companies in the United States.

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[–] kicksystem 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Except it's mostly animal agriculture that's destroying the planet. Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs. It can take up to 16 kilograms of plants to create 1 kilogram of certain animal products. 77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world's caloric intake. Researchers at the University of Oxford have found that if everyone went vegan, global farmland use could be reduced by 75%, the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined. Just imagine how much land could be rewilded.

And no, you absolutely don't need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2018 poore-nemecek doesn't say you should go vegan. it says the industry needs to change and make less animal products.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, you wait for the industry to change, while making the planet and its inhabitants die in the mean time. Take no responsibility and complain about large corporations fucking up the planet, while simultaneously funding them.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can't shift the blame onto me. i know whos fucking up the planet.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nice projection. I am not shifting blame, but since you've said this it shows you're obviously dealing with some massive cognitive dissonance. I have only been providing facts and sources dude. Animal agriculture is a massive source of problems for the planet. Besides all the things I have already told you: what do you think the leading causes of mass extincition, deforestation and global ocean and freshwater eutrophication are? Right...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Besides all the things I have already told you: what do you think the leading causes of mass extincition, deforestation and global ocean and freshwater eutrophication are?

industry.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I have only been providing facts and sources dude.

that's a lie. the comment to which i was responding was pure rhetoric.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

since you’ve said this it shows you’re obviously dealing with some massive cognitive dissonance.

wrong.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs.

livestock mostly graze on plants we can't eat or are fed parts of plants that we can't or won't eat.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Globally livestock consume about 6 billion tonnes of feed annually – including one third of global cereal production – of which 86% is made of materials that are currently not eaten by humans. Producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

and most of this 86% could be converted to other uses, including human-edible feed.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what i said was true. what you said doesn't change that.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it is true, but it still is a moot point because "producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed."

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's not moot. it's absolutely true.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already told you it is true, but it means nothing. Animal agriculture is still an incredibly big part of the problem fucking up the planet right now. I think I have supplied you with enough data for that by now. Maybe read it?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Animal agriculture is still an incredibly big part of the problem fucking up the planet right now

since all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and we need to eat, i disagree with your analysis.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps you might want to start citing sources?

why would i? cutting up yours is plenty of fun.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And this is where I stop communicating with you. Maybe you should reflect on why it is so important to you to be right about something that is so destructive to the planet. Something you want to deny, but don't want to supply any sources for. While at the same time every comment I have written you is backed by sources. You're an asshole.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should reflect on why it is so important to you to be right about something that is so destructive to the planet

i just AM right. if i were wrong, i'd admit it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

You’re an asshole.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Something you want to deny, but don’t want to supply any sources for

i don't need to provide any sources, since you haven't actually provided any sources that support your claim.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

neither of those studies support the thesis that it's "mostly animal agriculture that's destroying the planet"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

the study published july this year doesn't say what the fluff piece says it does. it says production of different products has different emmissions, and those consumed by vegans are lower. it doesn't say being vegan reduces the more harmful production levels.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I have supplied you with enough data for that by now. Maybe read it?

it's cute that you think i dont read OWID

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except it’s mostly animal agriculture that’s destroying the planet.

that's a lie.

[–] kicksystem 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what i said was true and your link doesn't contradict that.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I meant it in the context of agriculture. Out of the 20% global emissions caused by agriculture, most of it is caused by animal agriculture. I believe the stat is 18%.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

do you have a plan to eliminate animal agriculture?

[–] CharlesDarwin 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should definitely update the perverse incentive structure we have right now.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

this seems more like a platitude than a plan

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And no, you absolutely don’t need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

you don't know what i or anyone else needs, so kindly stop patronizing.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the american dietetic association no longer exists. it's now the academy of nutrition and dietetics. this is no longer their position.

American Dietetic Association (ADA) position adopted by the House of Delegates Leadership Team on October 18, 1987, and reaffirmed on September 12, 1992; September 6, 1996; June 22, 2000; and June 11, 2006. This position is in effect until December 31, 2013

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know they've changed their name, but they've not changed their position.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

that position expired 2 years ago.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

people need more than nutrients.

[–] kicksystem 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like what? What do people need that they can't get from a vegan diet?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

some people might be able to meet all their needs with a vegan diet. i would bet most people cannot.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is no reason to believe lands would be rewilded, even if they "could" be

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you could free up a land mass the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined, don't you think we could plants some trees?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

just because we could doesn't mean we would. why wouldn't we turn it into shopping malls?

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you stopped and wondered how big a land mass the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined is? I am not sure how many shopping malls you have in mind.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

i don't see why you think we would rewild the land instead of making money on it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world’s caloric intake

so?

[–] kicksystem 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it's inefficient like hell and causing a shit ton of greenhouse gasses. Have a look at the impact of some of these foods: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food#explore-data-on-the-environmental-impacts-of-food

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it’s inefficient like hell and causing a shit ton of greenhouse gasses.

agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions and we need to eat. i'd be fine if it were 100%.

[–] kicksystem 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd be fine with it being 100% even if it only needs to be 3% or 4% instead of 20%? Nice.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

if we eliminate every other sector's emissions, then agriculture would necessarily grow as a proportion, even if the absolute emissions stayed the same.