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[–] stonedemoman 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I feel like I'm going to get flak for taking a position that's not completely anti-Windows, but please try to hear me out before casting judgment. I use both OS and think they both have merit. Linux- for the reasons listed in the meme, and windows- for those without the technical know-how, patience, or time for the better alternative.

That being said, if anyone thinks like how this Ed, Edd, N' Eddy looking mofo in the meme does I'll be the first to say that's a horribly bad take lol

Of course it is. There's 0 reason to come after anyone for choosing Linux as any, if at all, of the extra effort incurred is only going to affect them personally.

Edit: Not even a single flak in the comments, the happiest I've ever been to stand corrected. We've done it, world peace achieved.

[–] CriticalMiss 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think the problem is preinstalls. No one was born understanding how Windows works, we had gathered that experience over time. If the computer you were introduced to was a Linux system (with X11 and KDE or GNOME), then that would be what you would get used to. Unfortunately, getting Linux preinstalls on laptops is basically impossible. Vendors love that preinstall money.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Companies that sell "enterprisy" laptops (like Dell and Lenovo) usually sell a few models with Linux. And while not a laptop I wouldn't be surprised if almost half of Desktop Linux users today have a Steam Deck.

[–] ZombieMantis 7 points 1 year ago

I would be one of them 👋 I've used Windows up until I got my SteamDeck, & it works perfectly for my mostly light browsing needs, when I'm not gaming on it.

[–] stonedemoman 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's very true! I would've loved this option in my formative years back before developing all the bad habits lol

I must forget everything I know about computing. 🥋

[–] thews 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read your name as stoned morman

[–] stonedemoman 2 points 1 year ago

I find this both humourous and troubling D:

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think that would not change the opinion much among the existing desktop userbase. That being said the younger generations are not by nature desktop users the way Gen-xers and millennials were. I think getting GNU/Linux as the default desktop for educational settings I think will have. Thankfully there is some traction being made on this front, particularly in places like France, Brazil & Argentina. Then again I guess it's not an either or, as having more vendors with preloaded Educational focused distributions & support would make such adoption more likely to successfully launch in such settings.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I use both. I've tried using Linux on desktop and there's always been a few handfuls of minor but annoying enough issues that make just want to go back to windows on my main computer. For my laptop that I don't use often, Linux is fine. For hosting services on my local network, Linux is fine. Neither are prefect but Linux definitely has come a long ways.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How fucking DARE you. People should be forced to learn how to compile their OS, like Gentoo allows, and then have it crash and burn in front of everybody in social studies when you have to present your LibreOffice presentation about why Teddy Roosevelt was objectively the best president and spent a lot of time on making a slide with Abe the soyjack and Teddy the chad.

/s in case somebody needs it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That reminds of the time a teacher asked to borrow my computer running arch to display a spreadsheet on the projector using hdmi. I couldn't remember the xrandr command to mirror screens so I just lied and said "I don't have a hdmi driver installed".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

For me the main issue is the time effort and the incompability with other people and my work that work with Microsoft products.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux is slowly getting there, it's developers just need to drop the "git gud" and "special club status" mentality and concentrate more on user experience.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Some people clearly are! Some distros are clearly focused on getting a friendly interface for everything, and proton finally made Linux gaming possible, despite all the grumbling from “purists”

[–] captainlezbian 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah like I switched and love it and I think the gap is closing fast, but whether linux closes it or windows closes it is still up to chance. The easier Linux gets for everyday users who don’t want to learn command line the more people are going to use it. The more software that just works on Linux the more easily you’ll convince people. It’s not about getting to where your coworkers or your grandma can use it. It’s about getting your in laws to not need your help to use it after a friend recommended it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣

[–] CeeBee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like using terminal for everything

You don't have to use it for anything. Especially on KDE.

I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer

That's literally what a package manager does for you. Unless you're building everything from source, you'll never have to do this.

I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it.

You basically described the Linux kernel. It's not "bloated", but it has more drivers built into it than Windows does. Even when you plug in a mouse on Windows it literally installs drivers. On Linux stuff just works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't have to use it for anything. Especially on KDE.

While you don't have to use it, there is a very large possibility that once in a while you will be at a disadvantage if you don't use it.

[–] CeeBee 1 points 1 year ago

Not at all. The terminal is just simply faster at many tasks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer Windows because I don’t need all the extra customization and in depth features, and I don’t want to bother setting them up. Like sure I could use commands to queue up file transfers, but I would never have the need and could get 99% of the way there with a drag and drop…

[–] AnUnusualRelic 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's fine until you have to move more than a handful of files and discover it takes the better part of a day and slows your machine to a crawl.

File management under windows is really something else. Apparently there are third party tools that somewhat mitigate this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Can’t say I’ve ever had that problem myself. Then again I never move more then, say, 20-30 GB at once.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Had to copy a couple of TB to a new drive the other day.

Just selected all, and dragged them over. Then I just walked away, because even during those rare situations, it doesn't matter how long it takes.

Only took an hour though, and Windows was still working flawlessly in the meantime. Running on +8 year old hardware even.

You sure you used Windows in the last 20 years?

[–] AnUnusualRelic 1 points 1 year ago

Not often, granted, but on the same machine, the approximate same amount of data shuffled around in Linux and windows has dramatically different impacts on the system.

I've seen it happen two or three times. It's not a regular occurrence as I don't keep data on windows filesystems. I still see it on other's Windows machines though.

I agree that the sample is too small to make it a rule. But it has nevertheless been quite consistent for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yeah I'm forced to do such inside a Microsoft eco-system at work, and Beyond Compare was surpsingly helpful at such.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣

[–] CeeBee 2 points 1 year ago

I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it

I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it.

These two statements are at odds with each other. If you did use Linux at all you would know everything else you said is false.

[–] FabledAepitaph 2 points 1 year ago

Not trying to convince anybody, but I decided to switch over to Linux on my personal laptop after having a terrible experience with a forced Windows 11 upgrade on my work laptop. I thought it would be more difficult, but the only time I had to even use the terminal was to maybe fix one of my internal hard drives not auto mounting, and to get a couple programs working. 90% of all my apps work out of flatpak/pre-installed "software store" in Linux Mint. Even been doing some moderate gaming on Steam, and everything just works, mostly. I actually got Outer Wilds working better in Linux than in Windows. There are some oddities, but I am sure they're only "odd" because I've been using Windows since like 1999. I am confident the only thing I'll ever need Windows for is my work laptop and maybe MS Office. I can do 95% of stuff in the brower with MS's online Office 360, but there are some deficiencies.

I am excited to be slightly challenged with a new OS experience!

[–] c0mbatbag3l 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, some people just don't have the time to learn Linux and this "it's so much easier than windows!" Nonsense is from people that haven't used it since XP cause the average windows user would absolutely struggle on even the most "just works" distro.

If you're incredibly familiar with something of course you'll think it's easy, that doesn't mean it actually is, it just means you've spent a lot of time doing it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣