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The popular idea that prices should fall to previous lows gives most economists chills. Deflation is bad for everyone, they say.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If we end up in a 10 year deflationary period then that would be catastrophic I was moreso referencing a short term “return to 2019 numbers” type of deflation that I believe could be a good thing for people

Are you saying that a 2%-ish deflation rate sustained for ten years would be catastrophic, but a return to 2019 prices would be a good thing? On what sort of time period would that be beneficial?

Because the accumulated inflation since 2019 is somewhere around 20%, and if we correct it over ten years that would approximately match the scenario you deemed as catastrophic earlier.

Since the FED is focused on a 2% inflation hedge and we’ve raised interest rates so much, they would just lower them again to prevent a repeat of Japan

Well, that is what Japan tried to do and it wasn't enough. The problem is that in the real world you can't lower interest rates beyond a certain point, because as interest rates approach zero or even negative values (ZIRP), banks find it very difficult to make a profit from lending, which leads them to bankrupcy, which in turn slows the economy down, which is the opposite of what you are trying to achieve. Not to mention that on the way to ZIRP private debt balloons and when interest rates eventually revert to their mean the debt burden becomes unbearable, which leads to a recession.

In other words, macroeconomics is a tricky unstable system and simplistic takes have poor outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if you extrapolated from 2019 with a 2% inflation rate extended to 2025 or 2026, and managed to intersect with that, it would be kind of good, but I don't know if you can without some harm somewhere. You have a very real disruption in the pandemic, followed by a large land war in Europe.

However you cut it, there is some pain to be spread around. It just seems that the Billionaires won't be feeling any of it.

Still, a "soft landing" still might be kind of do-able, I wouldn't be adverse to a few years of 1% inflation in the CPI with 2% pay raises. But macroeconomics is hard at the best of times. Hey, how about those housing costs?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey, how about those housing costs?

Check out the data. The housing market crashed in 2022. It'll take a couple more years to find the bottom, no doubt, but the problem is basically solved.