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[–] positiveWHAT 145 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Those are the type of crimes I would give a death penalty exception for.

[–] fluxion 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These are the types of crimes where I don't think a quick execution is fair

[–] positiveWHAT 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was thinking of letting the victim's close ones do what they want to the demons for one day, but I'm not sure what that would do with their psyche afterwards.
E: The psyche of those doing the retribution.

[–] MsPenguinette 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do beleive in restorative justice but I do wonder ocassioanlly if we haven't gone too far into the concept that vengeance has zero place in justice

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Maybe not, but it is a humane thing to do, and it removes the problem.

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[–] Carighan 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I wouldn't. It's far more punishing and even that is far too little to throw them in a cell and lose the key. Let them sit there for endless years until they die. Done.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are we paying for them to stay alive? Lol.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Life imprisonment is cheaper (in the US) for the taxpayer than execution. Morally, I think the death penalty does not have a leg to stand on. Even in the most egregious cases, who truly has the right to end a life? Can any justice system be 100% accurate? If there is even a slim chance that an innocent could be murdered by the state, the state should not murder. It's valid to have a visceral reaction to horrific crimes like this, but to advocate for murdering even of a guilty party just doesn't mesh with at least my ethics

[–] scarabic 8 points 1 year ago

who truly has the right to end a life?

Many who live deserve death. Some who die deserve life: can you give it to them?

[–] elscallr 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That visceral reaction is exactly why victims or their families can't have input. Of course you'd want them to be punished, of course you'd want it to be cruel and unusual.

While I agree the State shouldn't kill, if someone decided not to spend those millions of dollars and instead took these bastards behind the jail and put a $0.15 bullet in each of their skulls I wouldn't be angry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You say that now, but what about death penalties in Sudan? Iran? China? Are western executions more moral? What is the purpose? Revenge? Deterrence? The death penalty in the real world disproportionally affects minority and disadvantaged populations. It is not a deterrent to crime, and there is truly no humane way to end a person's life. What of the executioner's psyche? What of the innocent family of the condemned? There are so many terrible consequences.

As tired and trite as it is, "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" applies and is true. The death penalty only continues the cycle of violence.

edit: I missed your point 😅 I still can't condone violence in any capacity

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This would be so much easier if someone could write their names in a notebook, and somehow kill them of a heart attack as a result of it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Add a dude eating chips, another dude eating a cupcake, pad it out with 11 hours of nothing at all happening and you've got a hit on your hands somehow

[–] PickTheStick 5 points 1 year ago

To be fair, he ate chips with a neat soundtrack and flashy cuts. Whooooah.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, in political theory the entire conceptual basis of the state is that the state is the has the sole monopoly on violence. That’s it, that’s what the state is. It is the sole purveyor of social norms and order by using violence as a tool of enforcement.

[–] aesthelete 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know, in political theory the entire conceptual basis of the state is that the state is the has the sole monopoly on violence.

No it isn't. What fucking theory are you reading to come up with this bullshit?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] assassin_aragorn 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It isn't clear to me if execution is actually cheaper or not. And the 8th amendment effectively bans the simple methods of killing. It needs to be sterile and mostly painless for most people.

Would I like to make an exception for pedophiles, where we castrate them, physically and chemically? Yes. But we've agreed as a society that we won't dole out cruel punishments as a cost for ensuring our government stays in check. I generally prefer lifetime imprisonment without parole for two reasons.

  1. There were a lot of executions where, when we went back to look at them with newer technology for DNA evidence, we realized the accused was actually innocent, and the criminal got away. You can imagine there was a racial component as well which meant death sentences were assigned more often to non white people than white people. It would be hubris for us to think that our systems are perfect now. Another technological development in the future could exonerate people we think are definitely guilty. I don't want any more innocent people to die where we realize their innocence too late.

  2. Being locked up for life sounds like a fate worse than depth, especially if it's solitary confinement. Let them rot and go and insane.

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[–] shinyLane 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Not for nothing, but in the US, the pedophiles that end up in the prison system are very likely to experience hell on earth as the other inmates will certainly not be a fan of theirs. It's like some criminal pecking order. I have no idea if that's a thing outside the US, but maybe...

[–] assassin_aragorn 1 points 1 year ago

Even murderers have families and kids, and then there's the whole non violent offender population.

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