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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think highlighting the disagreement between "leftists" and "liberals" is very clarifying here. That kind of clarification tells me "liberals are leftists except for the differences highlighted," but the differences highlighted seem to be everything that makes a leftist a leftist.

Google tells me that liberal means socially progressive (i.e. culturally left) and promoting social welfare.

How does your definition differ?

Please don't tell me it's just "they're not always progressive and don't always promote welfare." : )

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My definition mentioned support for capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So a liberal is someone who supports capitalism with social welfare?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most American conservative voters also support some form of social welfare. Something like 70% of Americans support singlepayer healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then what's a liberal in comparison to conservatives?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no clear dividing line, it's a continuous spectrum. Many American liberals look center-right to non-Americans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright, this is probably gonna go in an endless cycle of "Are they this?" "Well, not necessarily..." that isn't going to go anywhere. Thanks for trying, have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea what response you were looking for, sorry

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A positive definition (they are X) rather than a negative definition (they are not necessarily Y)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I gave you one. "Liberals" support capitalism, but in America specifically "liberal" also implies that they trend toward supporting more safety nets than "conservatives" and being more "left wing on cultural issues," but neither of those is consistent and it's a spectrum. The main uniting trait of "liberals" in the world is support for capitalism.

*PS I have a meeting in 5 minutes so I can't continue this