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As if it wasn't bad enough that they want me to use a random internet service to add a keyboard to a usb wifi receiver, they have the balls to put this for Firefox users. I clicked out of pure curiosity, as I'm not even remotely interested in involving a corporate internet service in getting my keyboard connected to my computer. This is the message you get now on Logi Options software if you have a Unifying Receiver: This is the message you get now on Logi Options software if you have a Unifying Receiver

For the curious: https://logiwebconnect.com

EDIT: some people on the thread have brought up that the error message being displayed for Firefox users is due to the WebUSB API not being implemented by Firefox due to security concerns. This still does not justify having to use a web app to plug peripherals to a PC.

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[–] Yoz 290 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lesson learnt. Stop buying products from HP, Adobe and now Logitech. Create a list of shitty companies and share it with everyone. Consumers have the ultimate power, stop buying g their product ans see how quickly they change everything back to normal.

[–] deweydecibel 119 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Comments like this just make me depressed (well this is all depressing really) because it feels like a lot of people don't quite understand how utterly insignificant we are to these businesses. They will lose so few customers it won't even wiggle the dial. People will simply download Chrome to do whatever this is, they will get the data they want, user goes back to using Firefox until the next shitty company makes them use Chrome for something.

The problem is simply the consumers. We are all suffering, increasingly, because of the complacency, tech illiteracy, laziness, and short-sightedness of the average consumer. It's not really their fault, in that these businesses are the ones making the decision to do this, but realistically, if there's no market pressure, a business is going to do exactly what every business does, which is maximize all potential avenues for profit.

The average consumer is the reason why we can't have nice things anymore. And it is getting very hard not to feel a certain degree of resentment toward them as everything seems to just get progressively worse and worse with no hope in sight for any type of correction. They don't think that this is something they need to care about, and it legit makes me want to scream thinking about 6-7 years from now when these same exact people will complain about how unusable the internet has gotten.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@deweydecibel @Yoz don't blame the consumers people have busy lives and don't have the time or interest to spend their limited free time learning privacy or avoiding a certain company because of an obscure privacy reason they don't understand.

this is why market pressure is essentially bullshit. If more aggressive action is taken towards these companies instead of just blindly believing in the free market we might actually make an impact.

we have the free time let's use it to hurt them

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're both kinda right. Things wouldn't be nearly as bad if the average consumer actually gave a shit, but the things these companies are doing should be illegal in the first place.

[–] PermanentlyJetlagged 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People do give a shit. There is just an overload of shitty corporate behavior and people only have so much bandwidth. Each person fights on the fronts most important to them - which vary person to person (and over time). In the end you’re right, the answer is to regulate and make things illegal so people aren’t fighting thousands of battles at once.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Most people don't even understand it. Those that do, you're right, are fighting too many battles at once.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly. I used to run a corporate banlist, where if a company screwed me over, or I though what they sold simply insn't good enough I wouldn't buy their shit. If I stuck to it completely, I would have 0 options for computer mice, 0 options for phones, 0 options pretty much for laptops, literally 0 option for any home appliance, the list goes on and on and on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Market pressure is not bullshit. Unorganized mod simply doesn’t exert any. You need money (corporations and billionaires) or coordination (unions, activists, and governments) to pressure markets.

So yeah, it’s possible to exert market pressure by pushing politicians to outlaw such practices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Regulations are what matter

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The average consumer is the reason why we can’t have nice things anymore.

No, it's the supply side cornering the market. If there was two similar mouses on the shelf, and one said "no crappy spyware bundled", the average consumer would buy that. That's what they teach the "free market" is, and how free market capitalism should solve this problem.

But free markets don't really exist, the better mouse without crappy spyware doesn't either, so people need to come together and force corporations to respect the social contract. One might call this governmental regulation. That's where the answer is.

[–] JubilantJaguar 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So then the problem is not consumers, it is citizens. Because how do you expect government regulations to come about if citizens are not asking for it? Citizens and consumers are generally the same people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is more about "vote with your wallet" is stupid, you should vote with your ... vote.

Then again, some places don't offer the plurality of vote choices that would make a democracy function properly, so privacy regulations can't be voted for. I mean if all your choices are Putin or Putin; or Trump or Biden; what do you do to regulate companies to preserve privacy?

Activism is the answer I guess.

[–] JubilantJaguar 2 points 1 year ago

The logic is still somewhat circular, given that ordinary people mostly do not vote for Pirates even if they have the choice, and they do not ask their politicians for privacy regulations, much less bother joining a party or running for election.

And if in a democracy your choice is Putin or Putin, who ultimately is to blame for that? Was Putin parachuted into his position by foreign agents? Political systems, whatever their exact nature, are ultimately dependent on the responsibility of their citizens. And, well, it seems that in most places citizens, like consumers, are just not very responsible.

Activism is an answer, agreed on that.

[–] Yoz 2 points 1 year ago

100% even I blame the consumers for being lazy and illiterate.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think we will finish sooner if we make a list of ethical corporations:

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah I'll start:

done

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Yoz 0 points 1 year ago
[–] PropaGandalf 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Add

  • NVIDIA
  • Google
  • Apple
  • Microsoft
  • Meta
  • Tencent
  • Amazon
  • Reddit
  • ARM

to the list

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yep this. We act like wait, how, what, why, where when we let them do it all along. Take the camera back. Let them choke on their websites, registration and other nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

heh, all of them (plus several others) were on my list of "never buy from them" list a decade ago. Never had any reason to reconsider

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Ever since the fake tweeters (the speaker).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

well shit, their mouse are good. do we have an alternative to the mx master series?