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Lemmy.world down, probably following the upgrade. A reminder to move to smaller instances for a better experience
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this post was submitted on 29 Jul 2023
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Lemmy's machine-generated ORM SQL and hand-made flawed PostgreSQL TRIGGER logic is so bad, bloated. The developers on GitHub brag about "high performance". It's unbeliable.
In reality, small instances work because it has so many SQL performance problems that it mostly only is stable with little posts and comments in the database. They dd everything they could to avoid using Lemmy itself to discuss [email protected] topics and hang out on Matrix Chat to avoid using the constantly-crashing servers they created.
If you go to a server with no users creating comments and posts and only has a tiny amount of data, it does crash a lot less.
Oh geez, why would the Lemmy developers want to do any kind of discussions with you over at the [email protected] community, which you moderate?
I see you think that their behavior has only been since June 2, 2023 when I created my account.
The problems with them avoiding Lemmy, "eating their own dog food", to discuss [email protected] have noting to do with me. They hang out on Matrix Chat and do not ask for Rust or PostgreSQL help to their constantly crashing code.
Your style of arguing is to say I wear glasses and have "4 eyes", childish. You obviously can't go see they created a new Rust front-end on Github all on your own .... and that it was not me personally who created GitHub issue 2910 on June 4, 2023 - almost a month before the Reddit API change.,
Is it the pro-China stance that you like about the developers?
Matrix is a better discussion platform than Lemmy, as one is messaging focused, and the other is a message board. Why are you against Matrix? There's nothing to discuss on [email protected] because as far as that community is concerned, it's dead.
You call me childish when you were the one that retaliated against the developers by creating rubbish issues? Ironic.
What's with you and your obsession with China? From how much are accusing people of being pro-china, you sure love being on @lemmy.ml, the instance run by the developers.
Actually they were sincere questions. I am not retaliating. I want to know why they are doing it. But you seem to want to avoid that.
it is disturbing how they are behaving and the cult following they are cultivating by having their servers crash all the time to get donations/etc. It's like someone faking cancer. And you seem to be unable to study the code and see just how easy it was to fix the mistakes they went so far out of their way to not correct.
It is you who thinks such manipulation of an audience, the server installers and the creators of content, is defensible. I watched them cover-up a PostgreSQL question as fast as they could when 0.18.3 report came in on install. It was highly disturbing and bewildering to witness this. Why do they want servers to crash?
It was not crashing every 10 minutes of every day due to SQL TRIGGER code that the developers ignored.
Which also makes... Matrix the better discussion platform? What's your issue against Matrix?
I think Lemmy project creators work 9 to 5, for 4 years, and want to collect money. They do not use Lemmy. That's my point. They prefer Matrix. That's my point. They don't use Lemmy or care that it crashes all the time, they keep adding new features and the server crashing they consider acceptable.
They even brag and boast on Github that lemmy is "high performance", and that it has "full delete" when these are not factually true and it is low-performance code and does not delete, it crashes on delete. Is it their self-deception or the audience they are deceiving, or both?
Again, what's your point? Lemmy belongs to them, they can do whatever they want with it. Don't like it, fork it. What's your goal?
a world where peace, love, and compassion are favored by people and people voluntarily support goodness.
It's become clear that what bothers you so much, what you are trying to do is drive off conversation. You care about the machines delivering your content. I actually care that people have self-awareness in the audience of the media they use. Not have blind faith that "fork it" actually is all that matters, and ignore teachers like Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman who think it is important consumers of media are able to see how their own brain works instead of thinking "fork it" is all that matters, code.
I think audiences could use a website like Wikipedia to do news, instead they favor websites like Reddiit,, Twitter, Lemmy where the main focus is to sort by NEW and get FRESH "breaking news" without accuracy. A rumor mill of rushed information that is often inaccurate or distorted for the purposes of selling adverting/marketing/product placement. I don't think the cost or "fork it" technology of Wikipedia style sites is the problem, I think the issue is audiences have become addicted to and seek out poor-quality information so they can argue about it. A Wikipedia system with edit history and citations would put an end to too many debates and arguments that people seem to seek on rapid "refresh" social media.
I think humanity has gone from the information age to the disinformation age, and I think it is self-destruction, a major war or other self-destruction brewing.
If you were, you wouldn't be trying to incite conflict by accusing everyone of being pro-China or pro-CCP, or going off on a rant on America's social media companies.
Well, I'm nice, I don't want to hurt your brain further by engaging in pointless conversation with you.
How the flying spaghetti meatball monster fuck is this relevant to your rant over how you were getting sidelined on GitHub?
Okay, get off Lemmy then, why are you helping the Lemmy developers to the point of hurting your brain? You are nothing but full of contradictory statements. Nothing is keeping you here, if you don't want to be here, leave. It is that simple.
Do you even know who Neil Postman is, is that why you think nothing is relevant to how Lemmy is run? That would explain why you think it isn't relevant, because you never heard of Neil Postman. He did die decades back, so it wouldn't surprise me. It must be easier for you to jsut give flippant replies "how the flying fukc" instead of actually learning or reading a book from Neil Postman.
"Fork it", "wtf", you like simplistic answers to difficult problems. Clearly you would not spend hundreds of hours testing fLemmy and watching the developers before posting something like I did this past few days. It's really sad to see your total faith and blind faith in action.
I can see why you might have never read something from Neil Postman and responded as if it was off-topic to social media applications and their cultures.
No, why should I know who he is? How is he relevant to how Lemmy is run? How are my replies relevant to whatever Neil Postman wrote? Can you elaborate?
Well, your efforts clearly did not achieve your desired results, so forking the project, and starting your own Lemmy-alternative seems like the logical next step no?
Again, why do you keep bringing up American authors?
On the Internet, you can search. Instead, you go all "WTF" ranting.
No, it isn't logical at all. People have set up Lemmy instances to 'fork" Reddit, and nobody comes. Why set up one more social media site nobody will use because audiences actually seek out what is popular. You seem to think code is all that matters, that quality actually attracts audiences. I suggest teachers like Neil Postman, they really spell this all out. The audience has to develop self-awareness of their compulsive media behaviors. Huxley was far more right than Orwell.
You're the one that brought it up, you can't even be bothered to explain why?
If your fork maintains the ActivityPub protocol, what's the issue? Again you keep bringing up more authors without explaining your reasons for doing so. Do you lack the capability to think for yourself, so you have to idolize authors that have long since passed?
Your entire response seems like "fork it", without anything in advance of that.
Study the project leaders of lemmy, which I have done for hundreds of hours now. Analyze and learn, not JUMP TO "fork it".
Criticize with critical thinking what they are doing. And contribute. Which I have also done. They clearly need to stop letting their anxeity of PostgreSQL be central to the project. There are tutorials on YouTube for example that can be shared. Or Lemmy communities.
It's odd, do you go around telling everyone who criticizes Elon Musk to "fork it" about Twitter instead of actual;y sharing discussion about the problems. You seem to show cult-like loyalty to Lemmy and intend to run-off factual criticism. I've seen people behave that way towards Elon Musk too.
For one, I'm in the USA. And you must think Marshall McLuhan is from the USA? He is not.
Marshall McLuhan identified the USA as the world leader in media long ago, and I think his analysis was correct. I don't think it has changed that much in 2023, USA still leads a lot of media types.
It's funny how you are projecting. You do not want ME here, you keep telling me to leave. If I wanted to leave, i would have left But you seem very confused. Simple flippant dismissal seems to be your approach to complexity.
You are absolutely right, I think you being here is actually hurting you. You already have so much on your plate to deal with, I certainly don't think it's right that you have to shoulder through the pain your brain gets when you type. You should take care of yourself more, and not put yourself through more pain.
What does that mean?
It is doing anything, really. It became much worse in 2019, I still remember when I was more functional and I could write with far less pain.
I don't think you realize that avoding typing does not mean the pain goes away. Even speaking to people is bad, worse in fact, typing has less pain than verbal.
It seems you really want to drive me away instead of actually understand how much I struggle to write and speak.
How? By going from verbal to entirely giving up social interaction and social concerns? What are you suggesting exactly? Being dead?
"everyone', yha. You really think Lemmy is "everyone", or you lie and deceive that at least.
I think people are pro-authority in their religion to books about dead people; It doesn't even have to be a living China government. Even the machines or an application code can be what you are loyal to. But they like the power, attracted to even the server crashes, spectacle.
You commanded that I "fork Lemmy", that I code, that hurs my brian too. But you lack comassion and enjoy mocking weakness.
If you have the answer, and have had it for over a month, create the PR for it. Why is that an insult to you?
Why can't you say the same thing about the Lemmy developers? They are the ones who installed the mistake. now suddenly others have to fix their mistakes for them? It's really odd how you deflect from their responsibility.
Wow. Who stole your candy?
Cambridge Analytica in 2014 seems to have turned much of the online population attitude to that of dismissing human beings in favor of memes and disinformation. and the player who seeded anti-vaccination topics since 2013 on the Internet, that was documented in 2018 by John Hopkins university. my "candy" would have been teachers like Carl Sagan having enough students in the population that junk information wasn't saturation... but since 2014 junk just seems to keep growing and expanding.
You're rocketderp based on your instability I'm guessing? Looks like your the only one that is nonsensical in that thread. Your PR isn't a PR. You were rushing to someone that was being helpful but you still acted like a child with your advise of GitHub bugs and PRs and not using them properly. The other person in agreement with you at least is calm and rational. I'm guessing you never worked on a group project before or have had anyone disagree with you. Your commits broke the pipeline. Someone even tried calling you down, but you wouldn't listen.
You aren't the victim here. You're the bully.
Yes. My name is Stephen Alfred Gutknecht. It is clearly detailed here on my profile that I am "RocketDerp" on GitHub.
Issue 2910? The word "nonsense" is being discussed about a Lemmy TRIGGER on June 4, 2023.
You would be guessing wrong. Since late 2019 I am in constant mental anguish and barely surviving. My communications is a constant struggle and I openly disclose this so that it is understood, I am not attempting to cover it up.
The "i'm guessing" game. And I note you can't actually cite the Github issues by number (2910) or keep details here in fact. A lot of "guessing" going on.
"guessing" again. Should I guess you do not know how difficult or easy it is to remove a TRIGGER in PostgreSQL that is causing server crashes?
Why do you think this is about "me"? I haven't donated money to the project or had blind faith in the developers.
I'm beyond frustrated that they seem to be going so far out of their way to have servers crash that their motives for doing so need explanation. "Social hazing" is the best answer I can come up with. I've now outright asked why they are dong it, because the pattern of behavior with trying to let server crashes has been going on now for months.
I have to admit that it's amazing the number of people they have attracted with the server crashing. It's been a social experience in some ways like Elon Musk is doing with Twitter. Perhaps it bothers me when other people actually seem to enjoy it. That seems to be the hiveMind reaction here. In that sense, if it is "social hazing", it has worked very well.
No.
The feature you suggest be ripped out is one that many people like. I've seen people say they hate Mastodon because "Likes" are only counted on the local server and they feel it's useless. You can't just suggest rip it out without a fix in its place.
Do we even know the read/write operations of the database are what's pulling it down when it crashes? Sure it's not the best code I've seen, but on large instances it still manages quite the uptime. Without insight into the cause of the crashes, you can't honestly say "this, this right here." Could it help? Probably. Do you need to suggest someone enjoys murdering people because they don't immediately implement something? Probably not.
Just because you can't think of another reason why they didn't listen to you, it doesn't mean that the one you thought of is correct. That's not how logic works. It's narcissistic to believe that you can think of every explanation for something that's happening.
That's an interesting community.
You're spamming this all over this thread. Why don't you go create a PR instead? If you think you have a better solution then go discuss it with the people who have the full context and try to get it fixed instead of complaining here.
It's amazing how you have fallen hook line and sinker into believing that the problem is difficult to solve. It's the agenda that is the problem.
They have people like you who will not read actual code to see that they only care about the fact that "Rust is cool programming language" and crashing code doesn't get any priority.
They even started a new front-end Rust application this month, because they don't care to bother with the core of the site, PostgreSQL doing INSERT and SELECT statements to load comments.