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[–] phthalocyanin 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

look for anarchists if you desire a classless, stateless, moneyless society.

communism has been coopted by auth apologists infatuated with the color red.

[–] kartonrealista 13 points 1 year ago (14 children)

But what if I'm not an anarchist? I like Marx but not Lenin, so I can't be an ML either.

[–] phthalocyanin 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-are-you-an-anarchist-the-answer-may-surprise-you

anarchism acknowledges Marxist theory, but rejects the need for a state/beaurocratic apparatus, as it is considered to be fundamentally oppressive.

the state is an abstraction of capital, and cannot liberate the working class, as it exists to perpetuate its own hegemonic existence, our subjugation.

governance need not be heirarchichal; I promote collective mutual determination as an egalitarian system by which society can organize.

can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I promote collective mutual determination as an egalitarian system by which society can organize.

In practice, direct democracy? Or, how would that work - how would we organize society? Positions would still need to be held, no? Roles appointed, decisions made, lines drawn. No one can be up-to-date on all matters in their local nor global environment. And certainly not at the same point in time. How would anything work with any cohesiveness?

Sorry to be so dismissive, I'm actually kinda curious on your thoughts. Only ways I see are AI governance or a hive mind. Not sure about either tbh.

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