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MADRID, July 26 (Reuters) - An Iranian chess player who moved to Spain in January after she competed without a hijab and had an arrest warrant issued against her at home has been granted Spanish citizenship, Spain said on Wednesday.

Sarasadat Khademalsharieh, better known as Sara Khadem, took part in the FIDE World Rapid and Blitz Chess Championships held in Kazakhstan in late December without the headscarf that is mandatory under Iran's strict Islamic dress codes.

Laws enforcing mandatory hijab-wearing became a flashpoint during the unrest that swept Iran when a 22-year-old Iranian-Kurdish woman, Mahsa Amini, died in the custody of the morality police in mid-September.

The 26-year-old has told Reuters she had no regrets over her gesture in support of the protest movement against her country's clerical leadership.

Spain's official gazette said the cabinet approved granting Khadem citizenship on Tuesday "taking into account the special circumstances" of her case.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fanatics and extremists exist regardless of religions. The latter just allows them to control people easier, and islam happens to be particularly good at that.

Of course, most 'religious' people have enough common sense to not follow them to the T. When the government is religious though, like islam encourages, you have a big problem

[–] Carighan 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fanatics and extremists exist regardless of religions. The latter just allows them to control people easier, and islam happens to be particularly good at that.

This is more accurate.

It's not that "fanatics exist in all religions", it's "fanatics exist", and religions just give them a cover that is depending on society difficult to challenge as in many places, a religion's influence on society and rules is quite normalized, completely ignoring how ridiculous this influence is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

it's "fanatics exist", and religions just give them a cover

It isn't much of a leap to understanding that religions have always served the purpose of controlling people.

When a leader has a tool that allows the people to think his pronouncements have the endorsement of a God, that leader is going to use that tool.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Islam isn't better at it than other religions it just happens to be the major religions in the countries where those fanatics managed to seize the power. You can find similar examples with Christianism (Europe, USA), Judaism (Israel), Hinduism (India), Buddhism (Myanmar) and probably many more.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Islam isn't better at it than other religions it just happens to be the major religions in the countries where those fanatics managed to seize the power

That's no coincidence imo.

I see all religions as negative, but Islam is the only one I can personally attest to, being an ex muslim. It's cult-y and tends to bring out the worst in people, more so than most religions from what I've seen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your personal experience is not a good argument.

Here's a recent exemple of Hindu fanatics attacking Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Delhi_riots and another from Christian fanatics attacking the institutions of the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let's not compare atrocities committed by religions; islam's would be never-ending if we did, as your comment also suggested.

I will add though that buddism's continued oppression of muslims in Myanmar is sickening, in addition to your examples

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let’s not compare atrocities committed by religions

Isn't it what you do when singling out Islam ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If the poster hadn't specifically stated that they were commenting because that was their former religion, yes. But given the context, no.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yup. I think the conclusion is obvious, as my comment indicates, so there's not much need to compare them here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Islam doesn't encourage any more for theocracy than other Abrahamic religions. The existence of religious fundamentalist Islamic theocracies is a lot more complex than Islam. A lot of it can be traced to colonialism, the decolonization process and Western interference in Islamic countries. This is largely why Iran is one of those. The last Shah was seen corrupt autocratic puppet of the West by many. As a counter to it, the country over-corrected and landed in fundamentalist Islamic theocracy. Radicalization of Islam leading to similar governments happened in other Islam-majority countries. Before the 60s and 70s, many Islamic countries didn't differ a lot from Western countries when it came to social liberties. There are a lot of images of Tehran and Kabul with women in mini skirts for example.

While I am not saying that modern Islamic countries are not problem or thousand when it comes to civil liberties and democracy, Islam in my knowledge was more tool and less reason behind it.