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TBF, the decline of Germany and rise of Hitler did involve a lot of communist influence towards the start.
Kind of the same vibe as ruining a kids life and then being partially responsible for every bad thing he does.
They should remove the name tho.
Fascism emerged as an appropriation of revolutionary left strategies in service of right-wing ideology. That's why the Nazis adopted the name "national socialists." At the time the word socialist was used to refer to pretty much any populist working class movement. Blaming communists for fascism is a bit like seeing one of those spiders that mimics ants and blaming the ants.
Not everything anti-establishment is left or right. The strategies the nazis used were false flags and complete narrative control followed by regulatory capture, martial law, and then finally taking what they wanted by force.
If you claim those tactics for your ideology then I don't associate with you.
You're probably referring to right wing populism, right?
The strategies I'm referring to are best summed up as populism, yes. The left vs right terminology originally referred to those who opposed or supported monarchy, respectively. In Weimar Germany those who opposed the political establishment in favor of working class movements were considered socialist, irrespective of their other beliefs.
What I'm saying is that as capital S Socialism gained popularity among the working class, fascist movements appropriated the Socialists populist methods, taking advantage of the work that Socialists had already done in organizing working class opposition to the political establishment. The majority were not ideologues, they simply knew the status quo was not serving them and were looking for explanations, which at one point only Socialists were providing (though arguably not very effectively). That's when fascism emerged to provide an alternative explanation; one which was not a threat to the wealthy and powerful, and played into the deep-rooted prejudices of the time.
Well yes of course, in this context communism and socialism aren't very literal aside from the parties empty promises. That was a given in the historical context, as there has never been a true communism by definition.
Then why are you trying to say that Nazi Germany was directly created by communism if they never practiced communism?
Because the splintering of the left wing as a result of radical Communist Party spoiling Social Democrat and Centrist parties resulting in failure to form a left or centrist government for 3 years allowed the Nazis to take over and effectively end the republic. And also, even if they opposed communism and practiced socialism, they were all basically favors of the same thing but had different leaders in mind.
That's not really true. It was a coordinated effort to dismantle any and all worker protections, rights, and organization.
::: spoiler Blackshirts and Reds - Michael Parenti - Ch 1
So you're saying the left parties were unified and did form a government and didn't lose votes to the Nazis in every election before Hitler?
Because if that is what you're saying then you're lying. But if that is not what you're saying then you just pasted 7 Paragraphs to say a whole fucking lot of nothing, @[email protected]
Thanks for stopping by to be a great example of the kind of fucking Tankie bastard nobody likes. Hey do you recommend I do or do not read some theory?
If that's as surface level as you care to engage with the subject matter, I'm not sure engaging with theory or historian works (Micheal Parenti is a historian if you weren't sure) would interest you but I'd be glad to be wrong. There clearly wasn't unity, the SPD during the 1920s shifted to a more centrist platform and fought much more against worker uprisings than fascist movements despite enacting progressive policies when in power. If you have no interest in how capital interests affected the political landscape of Germany at the expense of the working class and in favor of more right-wing populism, we can just agree to disagree. I focus on material analysis, class warfare, and the interests of capital owners. Don't know why you called me a tankie when I've never supported authoritarianism but whatever
A few of the sources from the first chapter:
I preferred the spoiler method used to hide text and make it more optional.
Haha what? This is a take I have never heard before. What part of hitlers ideology was influenced by communism exactly? Weird for the nazis to be influenced by an ideology that they actively hated and crushed as soon as they were in power haha
Gosh, I wonder what communism had to do with the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The Weimar Republic laid the foundations for rejection of the democratic parliament, which Hitler then took advantage of to assume uncontestable power. The major reason Germany jumped to the conservative right politically was news of the political uprisings in Soviet Russia and the splitting of left factions into small uncooperative groups.
Hitler transformed the party to be strongly anti-communist and anti-bolshevist (though mostly bolshevist was used as a dogwhistle for jewish people), but the fact remains that Nazi Germany was built on the foundations laid by communists.
It absolutely wasn’t but whatever man you do you. Like none of what you said was what I asked but whatever. Blaming the communists for the Nazi’s is just a really stupid take and is just a total lack of understanding of history.
I kinda have to disagree with you. The other commentator was explaining their reasoning and they are in a certain way right, the rise of the soviet union definitely influenced politics in the rest of Europe. But it is in the end just victim blaming the left political scene of the time.
Aka "if the poor wouldn't have gotten uppity, the middle and rich class wouldn't have needed to vote for the fascists." And that part is the bullshit, were I totally agree with you.
Yeah exactly we are on the same page here. His first comment was implying that the nazis ideology was based on communist ideologies which was misleading at best.
Yeah, there was even at the time already caricatures about the hypocrisy of the Nazis:
Haha yeah I’ve seen similar caricatures like this.
You are actually defending the people who split the votes and spoiled left wing politicians in Weimar Germany leading to consecutive failures to form government and eventual nazi takeover. What skin do you have in this game?
If it was post-nazi takeover then I can see the merit in supporting the now underground nazi resistance of the communist party of Germany, but from 1919 to 1933 they did nothing but shit the bed.