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No. Sorry. You don't just become a Nazi. He was just better at hiding it.
Come on, that's fucking stupid. You think Nazis are born that way? Of course people become Nazis, and it's happening more and more.
Kanye West was in his 40s when Donda came out four years ago. Do you think he just started hating Jews and loving Hitler within that brief amount of time or do you think he's been this way for a hell of a lot longer?
Because maybe I didn't put it as artfully as I should have, but that's what I meant.
You really think he isnt just out for attention?
When someone tells you they love Hitler, believe them.
Sure if you dont care about being correct, skip any sort of thought process that suits you.
Why do I need to come up with reasons why someone who says they love Hitler doesn't actually love Hitler?
You dont need to come up with anything. A thought can be unresolved in your head. Its usually the more accurate representation of reality. Accept the lack of information for his motivation to say ridiculous things.
Elon has never announced his motivation for giving a Nazi salute. Should I reserve my judgment there as well?
He didnt even admit he did. Are we taking people at their word or not?
Elon did a nazi salute. Do i think he embodies nazi ideals?
Hmm get ready: I dont know what Elon thinks.
Does that pain you?
No, your sealioning doesn't pain me.
If you think im asking you for evidence in a trolling manner then you arent able to see the point.
There is no evidence and these are our perception of these public figures with little to no information. Accepting that versus extrapolating to come to some extra conclusion and trying to coach other people to do the same is how you cause mass misconception by reinforcing shit ways to validate beliefs in the disinformation age.
Get over your complex of needing to resolve incomplete information. People should educate themselves and not seek common denominator drivel in an effort to feel informed.
Its not enabling anyone to say i dont actually know if elon has nazi ideals. Its perfectly fine to hold that belief and tell people its your belief... but shitting on people for not agreeing with how things appear is... fishy...
No, I think you're sealioning.
"Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter."
Okay, you've got me there. You stopped maintaining any pretense of civility when you realized I was not going to indulge your "we can't tell for sure if Elon is a Nazi just because of all the Nazi things he does and supports" nonsense. Then you started getting outright hostile.
Whatever squid.
Your modus operandi to bring awareness on this site is at odds with itself and you are going to spin in circles in the echo chamber until you grow up.
Ah, you're now telling me things I didn't know about myself in two threads.
That's my modus operandi? When did that become my modus operandi? Can I have a date, please? I'd like to note it down somewhere.
Excuse the assumption that your motivations are in good faith and not self-centered pursuit of praise in the form of points to justify the other 8 hrs a day you arent shitposting.
Oh, that's what I'm doing! Thanks for letting me know all of that, it's all totally new to me.
Do tell me more about myself!
I cant actually read your posts on the sync app at this stage, as the text columns are a letter long, so ill accept your apology (i think thats what i says) and just hope you will try to be better.
His mental illness doesn't excuse it, but the guy is legit crazy. He def could have started spiraling out at any point and went down an anti-semitism rabbit hole and just went full Nazi then. My guess would be around the time he first started talking publicly about Jewish people was about the time that occurred.
tl;dr: Yes you can become a Nazi, if the seed is there to begin with.
Everyone has dark thoughts and urges deep in their heart, and everyone has biases and prejudices to overcome. Most of us are able to balance and control these things. We learn and grow, see our own faulty reasoning over time, and allow compassion and empathy to see others as we see ourselves. I think Kanye is an example of wealth allowing unregulated behavior, combined with spiraling mental health, to amplify those prejudices and dark thoughts into twisted new beliefs.
I'm not trying to make excuses for Mr West. His behavior is reprehensible. I can also see how someone who is already borderline narcissistic gets their pride reinforced through creative success. I can see how a man who is part of an oppressed minority would be suspicious of those with more power and influence. And i can see how those factors could be amplified as that person becomes wealthier, more successful in their pursuits, and less beholden to other's social mores.
I think conservatorships are problematic and easily abused. I also think Kanye needs the boundaries a conservatorship could place on him. He's obviously unwell. I know him, because I have a friend just like him, only poor. My friend doesn't blame "the Jews", but they are not happy, even when well medicated. And when they spiral, it's ugly
BTW, I don't always agree with you Squid, but I'm still glad you escaped the US. Wishing you and your family the best
I didn't phrase it like I meant to. I was trying to suggest that he didn't just suddenly become a Nazi in the four years since that album came out.
Could I offer an alternative viewpoint? I don't know if it's true, and if it is I don't know if it's better or worse. His style of 'music' holds no interest for me, and I know nothing more than what I have read about him, so I could be wildly off base.
As many have pointed out, he might well have a mental health issue, but is it not also possible that he is, and always has been, just totally amoral and has seen which way the wind is blowing? He seems to have sonewhat list relevance recently, and fixating on, and loudly proclaiming your hatred of, a chosen 'other' group may seem like a good way to get back into the centre of attention and curry favour with those in power.
I don't think that would be any better than him being a dyed-in-the-wool Nazi, as functionally it means he is one, but might explain a rapid appearance his Nazism.
He's been doing this Hitler thing for years now and do not use his bipolar disorder as an excuse for Nazism. It's no better than people using Elon's (self-diagnosed) autism for the Hitler salute.
Being bipolar is not the same as not knowing right from wrong.
Yeah, I don't think he gets a pass by blaming his behaviour on mental health issues, but a lot of people bring it up. I watch people like him, and I'm fairly convinced they don't have the principals to actually, deep down, be Nazis, they're too vain, too self-centred and too desperate for power of any sort. That doesn't mean they won't fly that particular flag if they think it'll bring them what they want, or that they wont cheer on the harm it brings to others if they think it gets them closer to power. Functionally, you can treat them as Nazis, traitors and whatever else they align themselves with. With luck they will reap the consequences of that.
Oh i didnt know you are an expert in Nazism Mr. Nazi detector But he was a cool guy at those times Ive did read some of your comments so i dont really care what you do say because you seem like a troll or even worse
Calling Nazis Nazis is trolling?
Yeah, having a large portion of your family tree culled by Nazis in Germany and having been assaulted many times by Nazis in America, I do feel like I'm an expert in it.
Lucky you that you are not.
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