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Obligatory, fuck Spez
Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.
Especially when the general feeling seems to be this
FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a ".ml Tankie Alt" who may also just be a "UniversalMonk" alt account.
This "caring too much" they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.
They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.
The tankies often call for "unification of the left" but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.
ETA:
Try to avoid making unfounded allegations about other users - here we raise a wry eyebrow to dramas elsewhere in the Fediverse, not start them.
FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.
Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.
Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.
You literally called Ukrainians Nazis a couple hours ago.
The Ukrainians call themselves Nazis. They also name their streets after famous Nazis.
When someone covers themselves in Nazi symbols, and calls themself a Nazi, why won’t you believe them?
Half my family is Ukrainians. From Odessa, which is famous for being full of Jews. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years right before the invasion. Literally not a single Nazi in sight or any rhetoric. Wtf are you on about? If somebody convinced you of whatever you said, you've been duped.
So you’re claiming all of this is fabricated?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators/
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/04/08/progressives-in-greece-reject-zelenskys-address-to-parliament-with-neo-nazis/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
No, I'm not saying these are fabricated, but I'm saying that you're cherrypicking examples to support your (Russia's) narrative. Every time Nazis in Ukraine are discussed, Azov battalion comes up. Guess what, 1 battalion doesn't make the entire nation Nazis. There are Nazis in all countries. There are even Nazi battalions in Russia, but Russians aren't Nazis?
The street renaming incident is just a result of incompetent research. They were just pulling any historical names to replace all the numerous Soviet era Russian names. The street I lived on in Kyiv got renamed to one after a Polish Jew. So why would Nazis name streets after Jews?
Ahh. You outed yourself. You can’t jump from ‘I’ve never heard of anything of the sort’ to ‘actually, I have intimate knowledge of why this is not as it seems, and these are cherry-picked.’
If you’re gonna push a lie, pick a lane.
I have done no such thing and I didn't push any lie. Believe it or not, we don't personally go around surveying battalions.
– Hey, guys. Are you Nazis? No? Are you sure? Well, okay then.
Nazis exist in every country, but in non-Nazi societies, they don't manifest themselves, just like in Ukraine. You don't see Nazis on the streets wearing swastikas, or oppression of Jews or whatever. And up until the war started nobody even knew about Azov being Nazis.
But I can see from the way you react to this information and ignore the key elements, that you're determined to just stick to your misinformed opinion, no matter what I say. So perhaps this is pointless. Let me know if I'm mistaken, and you genuinely want to shed the misinformation you've been fed.
It was a concern long before the war. Ever since the Obama admin installed the far-right regime in the Maiden Coup, many people and organizations were raising alarm bells about the growing Nazi power in Ukraine. Especially when they started targeting ethnic Russians in the east.
The people with swastikas on their chest are Nazis if anyone is. Joe billy Bob the chicken farmer that has a mutual aid network but voted for Trump because Dems have never paid attention to him is not a Nazi.
It's disingenuous to pretend there's not a difference.
It is also disingenuous to label Ukrainians as Nazis, just because a couple of them are. Just like there are in every other country, be it Russia or USA.
Except in Ukraine the Nazis hold power, because the US installed a far-right puppet regime that refuses to hold elections. Now they’re spending millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis.
I'm not saying Zelenskyy is an angel, but the constitution literally forbids elections during war. Pick a better reason to criticize the government, there are plenty real ones.
You believe constitutionally enshrining authoritarianism to be an adequate defense of it?
Did the constitution also make him ban all opposition parties and media?
He didn't enshrine anything, it was already in the constitution before he was elected.
Regarding suppression of opposition, good, now you're bringing up more reasonable criticisms. But guess what? That doesn't make him or Ukrainians in general Nazis. There's a lot of authoritarian stuff still leftover after Soviet era, it takes time to move away from it.
And guess what, Zelenskyy, with all his issues, was a definite step up from the president before him (at least until the war happened, anyway). And the one before him was a definite step up from his predecessor.
You know who doesn't have that luxury? Russia and Belarus. Maybe criticize them for authoritarianism, instead of a country that at least is making progress.
My country isn’t sending billions in modern weaponry to Russia (at least as far as I’m aware). But they are sending them to Nazis in Ukraine, so I have something to say about it.
Well, you still definitively called Ukrainians Nazis after I provided you with enough information to make you at doubt that assessment.
I envy your mental gymnastics skill. Wonder how you maneuver around the fact that "a Nazi nation elected a Jew president with 75% vote share".
No, I didn’t. Pointing out a Nazi regime being propped up by the US is not a declaration that all Ukrainians are Nazis. Seems a move of desperation on your part to attempt to distort it into that.
To use your own tactic against you (but unlike your attempts, effectively), earlier you claimed that "Ukrainians call themselves Nazi". Now you're saying that you don't call Ukrainians Nazis, but only the government. And I'm the desperate one, countering your every argument with facts that you ignore, while all you do is attempt to find inconsequential loopholes in my statements to declare yourself victorious. Meanwhile, I'm yet to see even a single substantial argument that would indicate that Ukrainian government is Nazi. So far your arguments were:
Simply repeating something doesn't make it true, you have to back up your claims. Instead you just gloss over all the counter arguments I make, like there being plenty of Jews in Ukraine and the president himself being a Jew, that completely invalidate your claims.
There’s plenty of valid criticisms leveled against “the US” that have nothing to do with me or most of the people who live here, but rather a criticism of those in power. The folks who take those criticisms personally are usually speaking with a guilty conscience.
I’m accusing my own government of being league with Nazis now, and it didn’t take that much convincing. Any hint at pro-fascism will get a fierce rebuke of any US politician who dares dip their toes into that, and calls for them to be banned from public service. Those defending them tend to be secretly supportive of their fascism.
So what’s the deal with you? How much more Nazism would have to come out of the ruling class in your country to earn your opposition? Or is this a secret supporter kind of deal?
There's plenty of valid criticism towards Ukrainian government, which I have explicitly agreed to. Them being a Nazi, however is a false claim at best and deliberate propaganda at worst. If somebody is challenging your false claim, and showing that you're wrong, it doesn't mean that they are taking it personally. But of course you're gonna stick to your tactic of ignoring my arguments, and in addition now throw in an ad hominem attack. Ukraine is not even "my country", I'm not a citizen and can't vote in elections, so I can't even "take it personally".
And to answer your question, I would easily admit that the government is Nazi, if I saw at least 1 solid point proving that fact. So since I haven't observed, and you failed to provide any, I'll have to insist that your claim is blatantly false.
Also yes, you got me, I'm a middle-eastern-looking, brown haired, dark-skinned Nazi supporter. (/s for absolute clarity)
Every shot you take is a miss.
So now that claiming a personal stake isn’t helping your argument, you’re dropping that?
https://lemmy.world/comment/14900993
I wasn't claiming a personal stake, I was presenting you with the source of my information and proof of personal and intimate familiarity with the situation. Stop attempting to look for loopholes, there aren't any, because unlike you I'm being completely honest and truthful.
Given their history it's like Germans with Nazi tattoos. Yeah a few might exist, but if the government starts actively recruiting them you might paint with a wider brush.
Never again means never again, and God damn did Ukrainians love the Nazis in WWII.
Saying that the government is "actively recruiting" them is also disingenuous, because it makes it sound like Nazis were specifically desired and chosen, as opposed to some recruits just turned out to be vaguely Nazis. Battalions of vaguely Nazi dudes exist in Russia, yet nobody is trying to denazify Russians.
And if you mean that the initial not so negative reaction of Ukrainians, hopeful that the Germans would free them from Russian oppression makes them Nazis, then, again, you're being disingenuous. In the end Ukrainians had the most casualties fighting the war against Nazis. Nobody is currently calling Finns Nazis, even though they didn't oppose them for similar reasons (getting back at Russia for oppression).
My dude ukes killed more Jews than nearly any other group from Eastern Europe. They weren't cautiously optimistic, they actively volunteered and aided Nazis. This isn't even controversial history.
why did they do it? why did they support the nazis and not the ussr? also you're full of bs, only because my great grandpa was a nazi doesn't mean I'm one and nazis are everywhere not just in ukraine, you simply hate ukrainians because daddy putin and xi tell you to
With how many open nazis are running about now maybe not the best example for that one.
True but most people tend to understand that or the dei example the most. It's still effective to show the point.
"there is no censorship in Beijing...."
Still haven't found wikipedia or other such sites, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
The first screenshot is about voting rights, little one.
At least you're admitting you're wrong there and you admit China isn't a evil despotic dictatorship.
Lmfao you think China is an open socialist democracy! God there are some proper nutcases on this site
China suffers from the same problem the USSR did. When you have one party rule, it does not matter how democratic the constitution says a country is. If you can only elect people from one party, and the party determines who can run for office, voters can only select from a list of candidates that are aligned with the party and its leader. This effectively transfers power to the party leaders and away from elected officials and the people.
How much do you think you're helping yourself by calling others "little one"? that's the most passive agressive thing I've read all week, and I'm on the internet a lot
No. I mean, I disagree, but the weirdest thing is the use of liberal as a pejorative on a “left wing site”.
All my adult life I’ve been disliked by my local chuds, cunts, dickheads, fuckwits, and bastards for being liberal. Now the “lefties” dislike me for it too.
It’s weird; I like all the same stuff, push for the same social change as ever but now “libs” like me are the scum of the earth because . . . *checks notes* . . Ah. Yes because the Likud are genocidal evil bastards. Which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah I dunno. Somehow that means we should let trump win.
It’s fucked up bullshit. And it used to be mostly from the “Tankie triad”. But even after they got mostly blocked, the more industrious of them come from “regular” instances now.
Liberals were never left wing, equality nor equity can happen under capitalism. The rainbow capitalism liberals advocate for only extends as far as their use to the liberal hierarchy. See: trans and undocumented people getting thrown away by the Harris admin as soon as they no longer saw any bumps in polls for supporting them.
The problem you're having is you live in a place with such a far right Overton window that the thought of even a tenuous equality amongst the under class is a progressive idea. It's not. But it's an easy tool to divide the underclass, and even acceptance of 'controversial' humans is used to divide the underclass.
Liberal was a good thing to be in the early 1700s, when it was the only alternative to divine right feudalism; but we've evolved since then. We don't have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to.
Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you're using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.
I mean, I can’t disagree more in terms of my lived experience. You’re surely taking a polisci graduate-level view of these terms and that’s probably exactly what the books say, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that the freedom, liberty, and justice we had in real life, any social progress at all in the last fifty years was due to liberal efforts, which included those who supposedly despise liberals now.
Liberal and conservative ideologies ARE different. If you want to be an faux-academic absolutist and pretend helping trump win is some kind of socialist or anti-capitalist win, you’re crazy.
The issue at hand is the difference between the colonial terms "liberal" and "conservative" vs the actual political terms that refer to old parties "Liberal" and "Conservative"
Liberals have a right-wing ideology, liberals do not
Is it stupid? Yes
They're just two different words that happen to be written with the exact same letters in the exact same order.
Let the confusion.... dissipate !! 🪄
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Yeah, I wondered that too, but the rest of the context is solidly American-facing. I don't think there's very much confusion over the terms.
Liberal means different things depending on context, country, etc.
Over here in France (although not as common a term as in the US) it is commonly associated with economic liberalism, ie part of right-wing ideology (small government, fewer taxes, etc).
In the US, it's more of a synonym of social liberalism, and is associated with left-wing ideology, progressivism.