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[–] MothmanDelorian -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, according to a bunch if Chinese mainlanders I know this did indeed get better. It's amazing what a government can do when the population doesn't stupidly believe governments are always incompetent.

[–] Freefall 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

An according to a bunch of Chinese mainlanders I know, that is all BS. See how that works. There is tons of proof out there for the absurd crap the CCP does to pretend to do good that is all a facade. You aren't going to fool me, I have seen first-hand what happens when the government installs fire hydrants to make a village safe, then when there is a fire, the firefighters can't get water out of it because it isn't hooked up to anything. Or when the pollution is so thick it is poisoning the local vegetation, so there are trucks driving around spray painting the dead trees green. Or people being force-fed Xi's idiot ramblings everywhere possible from a young age. China is great, their business practices are corrupt and their commgovernment is evil. Sorry.

[–] MothmanDelorian 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31571602/

That's the US national institute of health claiming progress in China.

https://resource-allocation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12962-023-00461-9

Here's a 40 year study talking about the improvements.

This is well documented. China realized it could afford to cover these people and that if thet did not they would have a problem similar to America very quickly. They spent the money rather than letting people go without preventative care which is cheaper thab emergency care in the long run. Why is it hard to believe that the Chinese government can do the right thing from time to time?

[–] Freefall -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nobody said they don't have socialized healthcare. You are arguing against nobody...

[–] MothmanDelorian 3 points 1 day ago

You did. I claimed they improved the quality of their healthcare and coverage. You claimed all of those claims are lies. I provided evidence for those claims and now you're trying to gaslight me because you were proven incorrect.

[–] MothmanDelorian -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tell ypu what you go look for proof that they didn't improve healthcare between 2000-2025 with a specific focus on 2009-now and I'll find you proof of that.

You'll find you are going to have difficulty finding sources that claim otherwise which I know from when I didn't believe this claim and looked for them.

China was embarrassed that they did not have universal coverage and they do now.

[–] Freefall 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

ONE thing, that everywhere else except one developed country has (the US), doesn't absolve them of the absolute torrent of bad-to-evil shit they do, TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE (excluding the vile crap they do to non-chineese people and diaspora).

Oh, just gonna throw this into the mix. The authoritarian CCP now has the healthcare of their population under their control. Now if you act out, or are the wrong religion/color/anything, they have one MORE lever to pull against you. How altruistic. (They did it with the Health Codes app during covid. People got uppity and they coded the area red so those people had to be quarantined and could be violently detained openly "for public health"...when it was just a protest they didn't like.)

[–] MothmanDelorian -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everywhere else better mean the developed nations otherwise you might be shocked how many still have no access to universal care.

What do your claims about "their own people" have to do with my point about improved access to healthcare in China?

[–] Freefall 1 points 1 day ago

First part, yeah I meant of developed nations, I didn't communicate clearly.

Second part, it would be as much a non-sequiter as you bringing up healthcare like it had any relivence to the original topic. Yup, they got socialized healthcare....controlled by an evil authoritarian government that will now use that as an additional lever to control their population. Even their "benevolent acts" are transparent control schemes. I get it, you are a shill and we are not changing each other's minds.