oh dear here we go. off the top of my head, there is of course, canada, usa (native americans), israel (palestinians), nazi germany (jewish people, PoC, queer people, communists, and a whole bunch of others)(it mightve called itself socialist but was still very much capitalist), china (uyghur people) (also might call itself communist but they literally have billionaires and a fucking stock market, cmon)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I view nazi germany and china quite a bit different from real capitalist societies. Simply having a stock market doesn't mean the markets are free to function as they please.

I also tend to disagree with canada and usa being genocidial at this point in time. For sure they did horrific things, but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional, as the US country's government is not actively killing a part of their own population.

What rubs me the wrong way in these conversations is mentioning capitalism as a system that commits the genocide. Both germany and china are/were state driven, and as such the markets didn't really have anything to do with the actions. Instead the genocide is driven by the government that is/was authoritarian, and as such the markets aren't driving the killing.

The one country I agree with being a free market and genocidial is Israel.

[–] fae 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Simply having a stock market doesn't mean the markets are free to function as they please.

are u saying that government intervention in the "free market" = communism?

as a reminder, communism is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.

also, state intervention in the market does not make a country no longer capitalist, they all have that.

but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional

i was just giving u a list of genocidal capitalist countries, i wasnt comparing them with each other.

many countries are built on genocide thanks to colonialism. canada is one of them, and it has not changed its course

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

are u saying that government intervention in the “free market” = communism?

I mostly agree with the rest of the points, but I have to comment on this. I'm not implying that china is communist. AFAIK I did not state that in my comments. What I am saying is that government intervention in free markets is antithetical to capitalism. That doesn't make it communism, socialism, or any other flavor of purism, but still disqualifies the country from being capitalist.

[–] fae 6 points 2 years ago

I'm not implying that china is communist. AFAIK I did not state that in my comments.

yea i figured. just wanted to make sure 👍

government intervention in free markets is antithetical to capitalism.

all the countries i mentioned have/had corporate taxes

still disqualifies the country from being capitalist.

oof so by that definition, are there any capitalist countries right now? has it ever been tried and succeeded so far? if any intervention in the free market makes a country no longer capitalist, i mean.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Sry but this is just bullshit. Nearly every country does that and they are capitalist. Its not antiethical, its needed to stabelise capitalism (even in the USA there are ISO norms, food and drug administration, tax differences for different corporations etc. Pp.)

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