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[–] DigDoug 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's an episode of Behind the Bastards called "How the Rich Ate Christianity" about how certain people essentially constructed the religious right. In the early 20th century, the majority of pastors were socialists.

[–] Aux -4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Religion is always conservative, that's why Russian Communists destroyed churches and killed clerics.

[–] DigDoug 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Religion is always socially conservative. Fiscal conservatism doesn't tend to jive with the teachings of most religions.

The fact that they tend to vote conservative anyway may show where their priorities lie, but I wasn't lying when I said that most pastors were socialists in the early 20th century - it should be a natural consequence of believing in the teachings of Jesus.

[–] Aux 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The teaching of Jesus is to obey your master.

[–] DigDoug 1 points 11 months ago

A teaching of Jesus is to obey your master. Hence that whole social conservatism thing.

[–] ClockworkOtter 3 points 11 months ago

Hmm... Tell that to my socialist priest of a grandfather.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Socialism is a direct consequence of Christianity. It’s the ultimate material incarnation of it.

Because of Christianity, we had the Renaissance, because of the Renaissance, we had capitalism. Because of capitalism we have socialism.

And many religions are extremely progressive and egalitarian. Many Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish and even Muslim sects are. Not to mention Sikhs and Jains etc.

The issue is mostly the hierarchical, patriarchal and authoritarian sects won out and dominated the rest, extinguishing most that were real threats to their domination.

In my mind, this is all religion by the way. Buddhism or capitalism. Trans-humanism or nihilism. It’s all religion. We just have a very limited and antagonistic view of religions nowadays.

To the Classical Greeks “religion” was just trying to understand the world and how to live in it for example. That’s how most of us saw religion for a long time. Until the Catholic Church basically.

Now the Catholic Church is evil as fuck… mostly. As an institution.

[–] cedarmesa 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Religion and mythology have nothing to do with one another.

One of the oldest religions in the world, Advaita Vedanta, has basically no mythology. And I’d say it says a lot of similar things to modern science.

If you think ancient peoples believed the things they wrote in the way you understand them literally, then you really are missing the point.

We’ve been hammering on the same thing over and over. We’ve found the answer many times.

Science perhaps will be the gateway for this truth for a massive number of people. Much more than ever before.

But still, we’ve found the answer many many times already.

[–] surewhynotlem 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Religion and mythology have nothing to do with one another. Advaita Vedanta, has basically no mythology

What's your definition of religion then? I think it probably maps to my definition of 'culture'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Religions have always been about trying to understand the world and how we should act in it as human beings. Those are the only and main things that connect all different “religions” in time and space.

[–] surewhynotlem 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so in trying to understand the world, there are really two options. Things you have proven (science), and things you believe without having proven. I'd argue that this second one is mythology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Science is not about proving things at all… it’s about provings things WRONG, and approximating truth through that. Key word being approximating.

Mythology is the collection of stories and sayings from a religion we no longer really “respect” anymore. Like Ancient Greek or Egyptian Religions. While no one says the burning bush or Allah in the cave are myths.

Still, there is a very fine line between philosophy and religion/mythology. Specially if you understand the basic concept of metaphors and symbology, when trying to read ancient and religious texts.

Just a final note, materialist reductionism is a dead-end. Many scientists already noticed this…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Because of Christianity, there was a need to have the Renaissance to begin with. The time was not called dark age because it was great. What an odd way to look at history.

Extremely progressive religions... Sounds like a contraction to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah but Christianity WAS progressive for its time. It was a time salvation was exclusive to secret clubs. It was a time where only the special would be granted “salvation”. It was a time where women were seen as spiritually inferior and couldn’t be saved at all.

The Renaissance is just a deepening of Christian values. And the Middle Ages were not dark at all, I thought we all had overcome that silly misconception. So much philosophy and science was born in the Middle Ages.

Read Spinoza or Rumi and tell me the Middle Ages were dark lmao

Your view of history is based on pop-history of the 90s. That is an odd way to view things.

[–] Aux 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lolwut? ALL religions are highly conservative and oppressive, that's the point of their existence. There would be no need for renaissance if there was no religion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

How are all religions conservative and oppressive? How is that the point of their existence?

Like have you ever read anything about early Christianity compared to how things were around it at the time? What about Mandeism? What about the early Hindu schools like Advaita Vedanta and Vaisheshika? What about Sikhism, which is explicitly egalitarian and humanist?

The Renaissance was just a stage of development of Christian values. Like Capitalism after it (which was an evolution of Protestant values) and socialism.

Arguably modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

Why do people speak so confidently about things they know so little about?