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Canadians are disgusted by their country, go talk to some. I'm gonna give the rest of that the respect it deserves by ignoring it.
Anyone who's not at least a bit disgusted by their own country needs to learn more about their country's history.
Fuck the Catholic Church and old Canadian governments creating boarding school for indigenous people! It's impossible to be blindly proud of Canada, but it's still an awesome country.
Oh come on get over that. We should not feel bad for what others have done. I hate this B's of we must be shamed for what the past has done.
Acknowledging the past, realising/feeling bad things were done, and deciding future choice need to be better is not the same as personally feeling shame. Feeling responsible for a better future and feeling responsible for bad past decisions are independent concepts.
Right, my anti-nationalism spiels goes both ways. I don't think we should feel a personal sense of shame for the things others who came before us have done. But that lack of personal shame doesn't take away being responsible for the future. I've been advantaged by my forefathers at the loss of others, and that makes me responsible for using that advantage to give back. That is not the same as feeling shame for the circumstances of my birth.
Even outside of politics, I tend to preach a philosophy of accountability, but not blame. Blame is "I should have done better," while accountability is "I can and will do better."
No. It isn't. I don;t know why it is so hard to distinguish that the country is the government, The people are just people.
Because that's simply not true. A country is not its government. Look at literally any revolution in the entirety of human history and that's an obvious fact. The peoples, the cultures, the social norms that give a country the distinct feel that defines what it is survives beyond any given government.
The Canadian government works for, or at least is supposed to work for, Canada. It is not Canada in of itself. I'm so sorry that you feel so disenfranchised that you seem to believe otherwise, but we collectively decide what out country is. No elected official gets to decide it for us.
This one is. We don't even have a culture, they made sure of that.
You've got a lot of vague disdain for the state of Canada, but offer next to nothing when it comes to specific issues. Who is "they," and what culture is it that you perceive "they" have taken from us?
Gee. I wonder why that is. Maybe I've explained at length and you're kinda fucking stunned to be asking that at this point.
You certainly have not explained anything beyond showing a vague hatred for the government, and a deeply held belief that they're somehow responsible for killing any sense of a national body. Perhaps you've explained yourself in detail in another conversation, but I was certainly not aware of it.
Maybe I can ask more directly: What do you think makes Canada uniquely Canada? Ignoring the whos, whys and hows, what do you believe we have lost, culturally speaking?
I guess I just assume you're a troll and move on with my life. At least I can say I tried to understand. Have a good one.
I'm always interested in conversations about opinions contradictory to my own, but I do not need to suffer direct insults to my character.
I'm not obligated to go backwards through your entire post history, particularly if it's filled with the kind of vitriol present in this conversation. I don't need to sift through intellectually void shit in the misguided belief that maybe, there's a nugget of gold in there. If you feel like you made a clear, succinct statement in post to someone else, in some other thread, a two second copy paste of something you know you said, or a link as I usually do, is all that's necessary. If you don't want to do that, not responding, or saying you're too exhausted by and/or don't care about this conversation is plenty.
Your desire to continually speak with such disdain towards anyone who disagrees with you, and your unwillingness to approach conversation with civility says a lot more than your words. Either you don't want to be understood and this conversation isn't in good faith, or you have no idea what actually upsets you. You're just repeating the same baseless, vapid talking points you've been spoon-fed, and I've begun to suspect that the goal here is just to spread hate.
If I wanted repitition, I'd be plenty satisfied by now. Hilariously, and ironically, despising politicians with no true understanding of what they've done or why is a very uniquely Canadian position, so I'd argue that our culture is alive and well.
With every bit of respect as a human being, and none as a thinker, please take your misinformed, poorly reasoned opinion back into whatever safe-space echo chamber allowed it to ferment in the first place. Or, recognize that most people will not share your identical thoughts, and you might have to figure out how to treat others with respect as you work to understand each other. Your pick.
Lol I ain't readin your whining essay.
I understand, facing the truth is scary when you've attached your ego to lies. I'm sure whatever Internet safe space you found your way here from can help you feel justified. Have a good one.
And yet, the data you've provided disagrees. 81% of surveyed Canadians either are deeply and emotionally attached to Canada, or are attached to Canada as long as it provides a good standard of living for its citizens. Regardless of how you or Angus Reid attempt to spin that data, it's right in front of you: Canadians are not disgusted with our country.