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‘The American people did not vote for whatever the hell this is,’ warns House Democrat
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A whole lotta dipshits voted for lower egg prices, or stayed home, voted their useless protest vote or outright voted for donvict, because "genocide joe" or whatever.
But we are all going to get this instead, I guess. It's not like many normal Americans were not warning them...Gaza and egg prices will be unaffected by donvict, maybe made worse by his fumbling idiocracy.
Biden already said that the US doesn’t recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. Aaaaand Kamala ran on a pro-fracking platform.
I mean, jfc do you people have the memory of goldfish or were you just not paying attention in the first place? Proud to be one of the 13 million, personally. Have fun voting for Liz Cheney when she runs as a democrat in four years!
Yes. They were flawed.
Explain to me how Trump being President helps the Palestenians or the environment.ve4sus a Bid3n or Harris administration.
Even if their policies were 100% in lockstep on Palestine and the environment (Trump will ABSOLUTELY be worse for both), there's a million other ways in which Trump is worse.
You motherfucers who cast votes for third parties, refused to vote, or really did anything but vote for Harris were signing a fucking suicide pact for the rest of us while pretending you were taking the moral high ground.
Everything that's coming is your fault. All the suffering, death, destruction - all of it. Your hands are bloody. It should keep you up at night, but your heads are so far up your own arrogant asses you no longer smell the shit you've spread.
When you had the choice to put up meaningful opposition to fascism, you chose not to.
Fuck you, now and forever.
Trump will no doubt be worse for the environment and many other things. But as an outsider I cannot help but ask, if you blame those who did not vote for Harris for what is coming, then surely your hands are dipped in the blood of all the victims of the Democratic party's policies over the years? How long are you going to pretend that they are different? Surely you realize that no Bernie will ever be the democratic nominee and that this is by design. How far to the right must the Dems go before someone else takes over what is the remnant of the American left?
The time to change the left is the primaries and local elections.
When the national elections come around, you don't move the country to the left by allowing the ultra-right fascists to win the election.
Ahh yea, those famously fair and democratic DNC primaries.
How are they not fair?
Just because the majority of people who actually show up and vote in them pick candidates you don't like?
It's the people who bother to fucking show up that make the difference.
2016
2024
I assume you're not talking about the 6 states listed where the DNC chose to run Biden unopposed or simply cancelled the primary altogether. After all, can't show up for the primary if there is no primary.
If 100% of those states had gone for Biden, it wouldn't have changed the nomination. He already had it locked in.
And the 2016 scheme was to have the superdelegates tip the scales to Clinton if Bernie narrowly won the primaries, but he didn't.
And any of that sounds fair and democratic to you?
Hillary received the majority of the votes in the primaries. If the superdelegates had changed their votes to support Bernie instead, that would have been undemocratic.
Biden had a mathematically insurmountable lead when the primaries were canceled.
So if it hadn't gone their way, they would have made it go their way. They had a plan ready to go to disregard the voters and install the candidate they had hand picked. And you're defending that as fair and democratic.
No. I'm saying they didn't even have to do that because all these lazy motherfuckers complaining about the party don't even get off their ass to try and change it.
And moreover, the "insiders" who control the party agent some mysterious cabal. They're people who have been chosen to lead the party by the party. You change them by participating in primaries and (more importantly) local primaries.
Party leadership isn't hatched from an egg. They climb the ranks over decades of party membership. The Clinton's weren't formed from the ether in 1992. They'd been involved in the party for decades before they were known nationally.
You select the people to lead the party in the future at the local level. You can't just magic them into existence by doing jack-all but complaining every 4 years that they didn't listen to what you weren't telling them.
I mean... it worked for most of europe. Granted it also involved a world war. But thats just details.
That is absolutely true, but you know that the vast majority of people are not as politically engaged as to do something about that. They barely get up to vote for the big one. I get it that this is not exactly the best of excuses, but if you consider how voting works in general - with things like gerrymandering etc and the shady and purposefully complicated process of electing party representatives - I would argue that the American people are never given much of a choice. At the end of the day I don't think what you guys have can be called a democracy. The process gives way too much power to a select few and takes all the meaning away from the public vote. Most people may not realize it, but they instinctively react to the futility of the voting process. In fact, I would argue that the Trump phenomenon is a direct result of this. Arguably most people who voted Trump are not consciously evil fascists, they are ignorant idiots (and I use this word for its original Greek meaning) who are tired of voting for anyone from the establishment only to see them serve the 1%.
My point is, it's easy to start pointing fingers at those who didn't vote anti-Trump specifically, but imho Harris was exactly the candidate that would cause a surge of Trump votes by trying to appease her way to the middle of the road between the extreme right and the insane ultra nazi right that are the two choices for Americans these days.
Democrats are not "extreme right". Fuck off.
Nice manners. If you compare their policies with right wing parties around the world you will see the similarities. There are inner factions that lean left obviously but their voices are muffled by the Clintons and the like.