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It's never that I think they aren't evil enough, I just don't trust conspiracies that require too much competency. I think most of them are too dumb and uncoordinated to pull off most of the conspiracies I hear about.
If you’ve ever tried to coordinate more than 50 people to do a thing, you quickly realize why people refer to management and leadership jobs as “herding cats.”
If someone gave me the option of faking the moon landing or going to the moon, I’d gladly strap a submarine to a missile.
It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.
Unless you're working on something incredibly important, and you can threaten people with jail time if you tell anyone. The US government kept the SR-71 blackbird secret for about a decade, for example.
True, but also I feel like that's small potatoes by comparison.
And also I feel like it's related to the publicity of the thing that is supposedly a conspiracy. with the sr71 nobody even knew to look into it; with the moon landing, people were following the very public demonstrations every step of the way.
Also the difference in wow factor.
Its "we are making an even faster, better and more stealthy plane than all the previous ones we have" vs "we are convincing the entire world that we are leaving our actual planet to fly through space and land on the moon". One of these is a significantly more juicy secret to impress someone with.
I think there’s a danger in underestimating a government’s ability to keep a secret especially when they have the power to kill you and your family if you break it. While we shouldn’t overestimate the conspiracies they conduct (i.e. the world isn’t flat, we did land on the moon, vaccines don’t cause autism). I think it’s reasonable to suspect that your government is keeping some important information out of the public eye. Oft for the reason of “national security” aka, it would be embarrassing to us if this leaked.
You ever heard of a little trillion dollar operation known as the NSA?
It’s not the size of the organization, it’s the size of the team with a particular piece of information, and the monetary or moral pressure to release a particular piece of information.
Also, the NSA famously has had leakers. The biggest and most notable being Snowden in 2013.
A dozen leakers from a secret police that has employed hundreds of thousands, across decades, is not the example you think it is.
Yes you can. The Manhattan Project was the blueprint for this.
“Half a century” is the big challenge in that sentence. The Manhattan project started in 42 and Japan was bombed in 45.
They also had near slips with the press and foreign espionage happening within the project. That would’ve been real tough to keep secret from the public for decades.
The challenges can be overcome with sufficient money. If the secret keepers are convinced they are keeping quiet for the public good then there is very little resistance.
No they mean eventually someone will fuck up, especially, given a long enough period of time. No amount of money can account for occasional clumsiness.
With sufficient compartmentalisation the risk of individual clumsiness can be mitigated.
For a time. The Manhattan project wouldn't've been able to stay secret for 20 years
Maybe the things that been kept secret for more than 20 are still being kept secret.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/katie-engelhart-britains-secrets-mandy-banton-321/
Maybe the things that been kept secret for more than 20 are still being kept secret.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/katie-engelhart-britains-secrets-mandy-banton-321/
Yeah, especially the COVID conspiracies are mostly brain dead stuff
The whole world pretty much stopped, which helps absolutely no one, but somehow those guys think, that a dark force is trying to kill the economy for...profit?
Also all the scientists and doctors are together in bed and just want people to stay indoors, because... I have absolutely no clue
It just didn't make sense from the start.
Although I do get scepticism against new vaccine methods, but when someone tries to "explain" to me, that mRNA somehow overwrites my DNA and I should drink bleach instead...I usually don't even know where to start to correct them
I agree but a lot of mom and pop shops shut down and of course walmart and all the big names were still operating the whole time. At least here in Canada
We didn't need COVID for that
Give it a few years and those shops would be dead anyway - sadly
Small towns here tend to build large shopping centers near town border, which just hungers out local businesses
No need for COVID to accomplish that
Edit: and it's not just about America, but about the whole world.
Wanna tell me, that Walmart planned a coup, just for US centric sellings and the also the rest of the world stood still?
Yeah man I know it just sucks to have it happen that fast. My neighbor owned and operated the local bike shop in our town for almost 30 years. You're right it was gonna close anyway but covid made it happen way quicker and the town is worse off in the end. The bike shop was a HUGE part of this town and now it's gone. It just is what it is.
Yeah, small town shops dying is really sad
Building large shopping centers and online retailers seem to have killed most small shops in smaller towns around here too...
COVID pretty much was the death nail, as you said
I mean, if the dark forces were billionaires and you look at their wealth growth explosion since the pandemic....someone could be forgiven for thinking there was a conspiracy there. Means and motive, alongside a sociopathic disregard for the common person..
You should advise them to drink bleach and prove its efficacy. For science.
Buy, when there is blood on street - or something like that was the saying
So obviously, people with money can exploit times, when everyone loses money/has no income and gets desperate
But triggering a global epidemic, would be more than overkill - imho, maybe in the heads of billionaires it makes sense
Lab leak initially labelled as a conspiracy theory.
Darpa proposal to perform GoF research on coronaviruses.
Airborne transmission actually true.
Vaccine doesn't stop transmission
Natural Immunity providing superior protection (no science supporting vaccine mandates for recovered patients).
Event 201 plan followed to the letter.
Government sponsored censoring of social media
Vaccine nanoparticles
The only one you sourced doesn't say anything about what you claim. I'm not denying that there are some questions here that need answering but most of this is just bullshit.
Half of those are not even conspiracies, nor even controversial.
"A pharmacist saw several black particles in one vial of the vaccine"
I included that source because people usually deny it happened. All of the others are also true, but I'm not going to spend hours feeding the sealions. As a gesture of good faith I'll provide a source for one more of your choosing.
Yeah. Conspiracies feed a need to believe that there's some easy reason why things are fucked. In reality... things are fucked for a great many reasons, and 'evil people in power' is middle of the pack, at best.
The most believable conspiracies are the ones where it's full of incompetence. Like ZunZuneo
Especially the ones where you would need the complicity and cooperation of thousands of people to pull it off.