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Richard Dawkins quits atheism foundation for backing transgender ‘religion’
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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So he is complaining about the quasi religious zealotry that permeates the ideology as, he himself is anti religion, and resigned of the place because it is now peddling to what is basically a new religion
Makes total sense actually
I agree. And censorship is not the way. I'd only criticize that it goes both ways, as he seems to disregard the hypotheses that support transgender views with equal dogmatism or lack of rigor.
But there's nothing religious or dogmatic about what the FFRF did. Dawkins is just framing it that way because it's how he became popular.
He's just an asshole who constantly acts like an asshole, and people are done with his shit, so he's having a little fit on his way out the door.
If anyone is acting "religiously" here, it's Dawkins, who constantly lies and misrepresents medical science because it doesn't match up the beliefs he grew up with.
Rejecting science (biology in this case) is one major component of religion. Others are dogma (a set of principles that are taken as axioms and never contested, eg gender can be whatever you want it to be), heresy (eg offering a scientific view that differs from dogma, like the fact that biology presents two genders), censorship and apostasy (removing such an article for disagreeing with the dogma, regardless of scientific facts).
Seems to me like Dawkins slightly overreacted, but it's understandable because he did so based on the religious-like fervor exhibited by those who would remove an article published by a biologist, debating biological classification, because they disagree with its implications.
For all the talk about the unscientific right, it seems to me like the left ignores science just as much when it's not what they want to hear - what their group has already agreed to be true. This video comes to mind: https://youtu.be/zB_OApdxcno
Who is rejecting biology?
Other than Dawkins I mean?
It seems like you're confused between sex and gender?
I'm old and trying to keep up with the times, remind me; what is the difference between transsexual and transgender? It seems like the word, transsexual, I haven't heard in a longass time.
"Transsexual" is kind of being phased out in favor of "Transgender," I believe.
Gender is a synonim for sex. It is also used when speaking about words - in some languages, words have a gender.
That's stupid.
Gender and sex are not exactly the same thing, and you have to be purposefully obtuse to ignore the entire context of the conversation. I won't entertain your faux ignorance. You've had multiple people correct you on this, and you haven't responded to any of them, because you know you're not up to the task.
If you say sex=gender, you are factually incorrect. Try again. If they were exactly synonymous, then words would also have a sex. Tell me where "telephone's" genitalia are.
I know gender and sex aren't the same thing. You could tell that because I provided two meanings for gender, only one of which was sex. Your problem seems to be I don't accept your definition of gender.
But this isn't really your problem, because it's not your definition. Instead, it's a newer definition that's been tacked onto the word, that you have accepted and propagated, and now are jumping on others for not doing the same. I 'd be lying if I said I don't understand why you'd want to change the meaning, to make it something else. It's a good word for you. It's a word that is already known, so it's in the collective mindset. A new word would be harder to get 'out there', while another (weaker - lesser used) word wouldn't generate as much buzz and discussion when you misuse it. It's a cunning thing to do. It's also unacceptable and vile. If we're changing words' meanings, then you're welcome to find out
Has in the meanwhile been changed to mean "I concede that I am in the wrong regarding this matter and will take myself out of the conversation for future replies".
To reinforce this change in meaning, I'll be blocking you now. Have a good rest of the day.
Remember when I said you weren't up to the task?
Hit and run like a coward. You blocked me because you're well aware that you're unable to defend your position.
There are other people who have explained this to you already.
I often find -- and such appears to be the case here -- that when people make these arguments that they either do not know the difference between sex and gender, or are feigning ignorance.
Sex is not binary, and the "anti-trans" folks pretend that it is. Intersex people exist.
Gender is not solely biological.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
All your premises are wrong. The existence of trans people doesn't reject biology, quite the contrary, advanced biology supports the notion that sex can vary beyond a binary and is quite distinct from gender and sexual identity (which are psychosocial phenomena). There is no organized dogma on the LGBTQ+ support community. If anything, in fighting, disagreement and diversity is what defines it, not homogeneity or conformity. Our understanding of sexual identities, gender and transexuality is the result of scientific discourse, through and through. From phenomenological descriptions, to anthropological, sociological, psychological and biological study. Our theories and understanding of transexual individuals has changed radically as new evidence has come forth and discoveries and theories evolve around it. It is quite the opposite of dogma. On heresy, there's only one thing that is considered universally bad, and is the idea that a group of people has to die due to something they can't control and aren't at fault for. Like declaring murder against trans people for being born transgender, yes, that's a definitive faux pas and you will be ostracized for wanting minorities dead. This is a moral stance, but that's it, it doesn't imply adhesion to any organized enforcement of belief. There's also no censorship or apostasy in here. The concept of censorship doesn't apply as the FFRF is not a government. Coyne is perfectly allowed to publish his ideas somewhere else, just not there. Finally, apostasy doesn't apply because this is not an organized religion.
The thing here is that Coyne and Dawkins want to declare themselves apostles of their anti-religion movement. Because that's how they were raised and they lack the critical thinking skills to realize the irony of the situation they're in. They are uncritically defending Anglican religious values and objectively acting against the anti-religion they claimed to champion. They're exactly the kind of asshats they would've debated against 10 or 20 years ago.
censorship does not require a government and it does apply
was dawkins suggesting this in his opinion piece and if not then why remove it