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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This is a bit disingenuous; what's considered the "new year" is usually aligned with the seasons and the passing of winter, which is very much not arbitrary and completely dependent on the tilt of Earth's axis.

[–] RedWeasel 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think Brazil and Australia would like a word.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You mean the Portuguese and the English, who brought their traditions with them

[–] marcos 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Summer is a much better time to celebrate anyway. I don't get why Europeans decided to do it in winter.

Anyway, it doesn't stop being an important day... after an arbitrary week-and-half delay.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

What else is there to live for in winter if not the celebrations.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It is aligned for the southern hemisphere as well, just with winter and summer reversed.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago

This is why we need to go back to the roots of what Christmas was co-opted from.

Gimme my winter solstice festival!

Summer Christmas is less magical

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The change of year is not aligned with the winter solstice. In fact the new year has been intentionally moved to an arbitrary date to obscure the solstice behind religious holidays.

[–] victorz 4 points 1 month ago

It's basically a week away from the solstice, still. A little more than a week. It's exactly a week from Christmas Eve, which is what many countries (like where I live) celebrate as "the" Christmas. It's pretty clear still, to me at least, that we celebrate this time because of the sun returning to higher distances above the horizon.

[–] njm1314 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Does January 1st coincide with the ending of winter anywhere?

[–] wzl 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Does January 1st coincide with the ending of winter anywhere?

Ending? Winter just started 10 days ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

[–] njm1314 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Zorque 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah, well, they moved it ten days away, very hidden and sneaky. Those dastardly fiends.

[–] MutilationWave 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate this idea of winter starting on solstice because I hate winter. I love solstice because it means the horrible darkness is getting better. But I feel like December, January, February is a better representation of winter than January, February, March. March is so much nicer than December.

[–] captainlezbian 2 points 1 month ago

I've taken to mentally breaking the seasons in half. The winter solstice to halfway before the equinox is cold and dark, but getting brighter. The previous 8th is the hardest time. It's getting darker and colder but snow is sparce. The 8th before the vernal equinox is the final stretch before spring is getting going.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I said "passing", not "end". The end of the year is roughly aligned with mid-winter, a.k.a. the winter solstice, the point at which light and life begin their return.

[–] Stupidmanager 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I figure the solstice would be a far better tradition to bring back. Party twice a year? Peak and summer the low of winter. Sign me up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

bring back

Uh... it hasn't gone anywhere. Just because you haven't celebrated it, doesn't mean others haven't.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 1 month ago

My wife and I do this. Not all of our friends are up for it (some think it's too sacrilegious, but like everything I do is I'm not sure why they haven't got that yet)

[–] captainlezbian 1 points 1 month ago

Why just solstices? I maintain that secular society would probably enjoy the cardinal (solstices and equinoxes) and ordinal (halfway points) holidays that modern pagans tend to celebrate far better than the Christian ones. They're evenly spaced out and correspond to changes in light and temperature