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Really no reason to even think about voting for Liberals now that the whole strategic voting thing isn't even plausible thing with the current polling.
Strategic voting is still totally a plausible thing in my riding. Conservatives are consistently at 40% or so voter count, so I either vote for the liberal candidate that has been able to beat the cons by 1%, or I split the vote and hand the cons another riding.
The problem with strategic voting is that it has always been "NDP supporters should vote Liberal to help them win" and never "Liberal voters should vote NDP to help them win".
I'm done supporting the Liberals when all their leadership does is cater to big money corporations and red Tories while begging for the support of the left to stop the "real" conservatives.
You could always split the conservative vote instead by voting for one of those crazy people parties that end up on the ballot but you've never heard of before election day
No, I could not split the conservative vote because I wouldn't vote conservative in the first place. In my riding I have one choice and one choice only, and that's to vote for the non-conservative candidate most likely to win, which happens to be liberal. Voting any other way is just throwing away my vote, which is a vote for the conservatives.
You could not, would not, split the vote?
Would you split it, in a boat?
Conservatives don't split the vote.
What does that change in the grand scheme of things.
In itself is strategic voting only about one election one riding at a time what about the nation and the future beyond 4 years?
Not giving the cons a federal government is the better of the long term strategies. We know the Conservatives want to emulate what's going on south of the border, and since I want to keep funding public services I'm going to swallow my pride and vote accordingly. Yes, an NDP win would be welcome, but I'll settle for a PC loss.
And I fucking hate it. I am in a solid blue riding, so it really doesn't matter who I vote for, I really wanted electoral reform like he promised.
... before the PANDEMIC changed priorities.
We're barely emerging from the economic stress from surviving the pandemic without a massive recession, and busy ensuring women have legal control over themselves and similar stuff so embarrassingly basic that a new vote infrastructure seems a lifetime away.
Singh has been instrumental in pushing the launch of a dental plan, and as Justin's conscience he'll get us vision too. Pity they can't get the confirmed numbers to win but I'd love to see them take the #2 spot.
I recall the electoral reform promise was renegged shortly after his election in 2015
Ehhh, it probably wouldn't actually inspire change, but it would be nice if the Liberals came in a very distant last in every riding they didn't have a chance at winning.
Just say you are a conservative.
Anything but. My comment would apply for the Conservatives too, although I wish they'd come last everywhere. It's just so frustrating seeing the map flip back and forth between red and blue when we have other viable parties.
Once again, I do not like any conservative party, can't overstate that enough, but look at the BC Cons. After decades of obscurity they sucked so much support from the other conservative party (BCUPs/Liberals) they just gave up and all but dissolved themselves. We need something like that for the center/left federally.
You mean the actual centrist party called the Liberal party of Canada?
I think you may be misunderstanding my point, but it would be great if the Liberal party dropped off and the NDP (or something new) completely replaced them as the counter to the Cons. Right now they seem to keep seats because they're not the Cons and I think the leadership confuses that with people liking them for what they do.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want a centrist party (but not the one we have), and you want it to be more like a left wing party, which we have have several others that haven't reached prominence.
The Green party is more centrist than others with a desire to actually deal with climate change.
Yeah I think I have misunderstood your point because any centrist party is gonna end up sounding like the liberals and anybody as far left as the NDP are not centrist.
No, I was speaking more generally. When I said center/left I meant it in the way the ABC people use it. I don't like the Liberals, but I also do not want the Conservatives to win. Unfortunately that looks like where we're headed. I just hope that if the Cons do win (which once again I do not want but I have just 1 vote), the Liberals lose big and take it as a wakeup call to change or be relegated to the perpetual 3rd place party. None of those other posts were trying to say what party I would like, sorry for the confusion.
Ah, so because you don't like a party you want all of us to suffer to learn a lesson.
Dude, wake the fuck up, you're playing into the con's game.
Clearly I'm not good at articulating my point so I'm going to stop trying. I don't know what I'm saying that would benefit the Conservatives in any way. My riding is NDP with the cons playing catch up and the Greens have a better chance than the Liberals. So maybe we're just coming from different perspectives. Voting for Liberals here is a vote for conservative.
And here lies the crux of the problem.
Finally we can agree on something.
Can you elaborate how you voting for the Liberals instead of NDP or really anyone else is going to impact this mathematically:
Because
a) The numbers may change between now and the election, b) even if the conservatives win, there's a chance to keep it from being a majority government, c) voting for a candidate in my riding that has zero chance to win will not make a chance, whereas by voting Lib I support a candidate that is more aligned with my views than the conservatives, and d) despite what you seem to be advocating with your rhetoric, I won't give in to defeatism.
A & B - I'm talking about the current circumstances and how as a progressive there's never been a better chance in recent times to vote NDP if you don't want "waste" a vote. There can be a 20 extra seat swing coming purely from the Conservatives to the Liberals and they still have majority by 34 seats.
C & D - I don't understand how voting for someone that lied about something as big as Voting reform is suppose to inspire optimism. The Liberals is just better than the Conservatives, they've never been been a good party. Even if the Liberals won the next election most Canadian will still be worse off just not as bad.
This whole I'm not the bad guy therefore I'm the good guy rhetoric is deplorable.
A & B: you assume that voting NDP would swing the votes from liberal to them. That. Is. Not. The. Case. In. My. Riding. I'm in a riding with so close a race historically that any vote other that liberal just guarantees a conservative seat. And I'm not going to take any action that gives the conservatives another seat.
I'm not voting for the party leader. I'm voting for my riding's candidate.
"Never let perfect be the enemy of good enough." In your words, I'm voting for "less bad".
I take it you're not much of a believer in vote whipping.
Things are going so poorly that the Conservatives is overwhelmingly going to win the next election. If that's good enough for you I can see why you're completely fixed on your support for the Liberals.
They are literally trying to stop the Conservatives winning a seat in their riding.
Your argument was "Liberals can't win so vote NDP", if they are in a riding that Liberals can win they should absolutely do what they can to prevent a Conservative majority.
I just hope Liberal voters return the favour in ridings where NDP are most likely to beat the Conservative candidate.