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Hello, I'm not that informed about UBI, but here is my arguement:

Everyone gets some sort of income, but wouldn't companies just subside the income by raising their prices? Also, do you believe capatilism can co-exist with UBI?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The trajectory we're headed we're going to need it or something like it.

With improvements to AI and physical automation there will be a metric fuckton of people out of employment completely and there are only so many jobs for the rebuttal of "the people will still need to maintain the robots and check the AI"

Unfortunately with our concept of ownership there will be massive resistance to it as "I own the machines that make the products/increase productivity, why should you get anything from my profit?" They're going to have to relearn the lesson Ford learned about "well paid employees are your customers" the hard way.

As it stands, at least in America, "The Century Of The Self" has lead to a complete atomization of society, every business is entirely independent from society, every individual is separate from society, so each individual owner won't see the need for a well paid workforce/population at the owners "expense" actually being beneficial to their own existence. They'll think "someone else" should deal with that issue, or worse "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" :/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Unfortunately with our concept of ownership there will be massive resistance to it as “I own the machines that make the products/increase productivity, why should you get anything from my profit?” They’re going to have to relearn the lesson Ford learned about “well paid employees are your customers” the hard way.

The only alternative to UBI, and Trump presidency a big step towards that alternative, is the oligarchy that needs less slaves support genocide and AI/Robotic security for the oligarchy. UBI is similar to that "Ford mythology" of increased sales through population that can afford more cars, and Ford getting plenty rich from more car sales. Still an oligarchy that is hyper focused on slavery instead of that obviousness of making more revenue is not one that reacts to "slavery alternatives" of protecting their existing wealth/power through genocide towards an understanding of a sustainable and prosperous world enriching them too.