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Negotiation almost de facto requires group effort, or a union. The only time negotiation works outside of that is edge cases.
Unions only help themselves. If you failed at negotiating; you over value yourself.
It's wild how you're like
Wtf do you think negotiation is?
This opinion is cousin to "then vote with your wallet, but if you boycott anything then you're woke"
And sibling to "the free market is best, except people shouldn't be free to organize against corporations"
That's utter bullshit.
https://www.afscme.org/blog/the-union-difference-in-wages-18-higher-pay-if-you-belong-to-a-union
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/27/labor-unions-winning-better-pay-hours.html
https://www.nber.org/digest/digestsep18/new-evidence-unions-raise-wages-less-skilled-workers
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-30/us-union-members-see-record-pay-raises-outpace-nonunion-workers
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/union-workers-wealth-comparison-pay-difference
https://www.epi.org/publication/union-workers-had-more-job-security-during-the-pandemic-but-unionization-remains-historically-low-data-on-union-representation-in-2020-reinforce-the-need-for-dismantling-barriers-to-union-organizing/
https://southfloridaclc.org/index.php/labor-unions-pure-pro-no-cons-2/unions-and-job-security-a-lasting-relationship
https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/general/labortaskforce/docs/WORK-fs-DOL-Unions-v6.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/article/employee-access-to-sick-leave.htm
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/union-workers-more-likely-than-nonunion-workers-to-have-healthcare-benefits-in-2019.htm
They lead to higher wages, job security, better benefits, and better PTO/sick days. In every respect, in general, a union job is better for the worker than a non union job.
They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money and pay them more than they'd otherwise need to. You could have negotiated better pay for yourself, but you want to keep leech employees around. They also can cause the closure of businesses (the opposite of job security). Sick time shouldn't be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money which again comes out of what you could have negotiated for yourself.
Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn't change the fact that they only serve themselves.
I don't care.
Good, that's the fucking point.
You can't, which is why unions have higher pay.
Are you a troll, or are you genuinely this backwards?
My dude, this is all of the sources showing that they're better jobs. It's the government, corporate media, scientific research, all coming to the same conclusion. It ain't propaganda.
I'm 53 years old. I've had an equal amount of union and non union jobs. Union jobs SUCK for good workers. How to pay workers less than minimum wage? - unions! How to keep a drug addicts job so they can endanger their co-workers? -Unions.
There's nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take 'dues' from you. Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.
The data betrays your conclusion.
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27720/w27720.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268122003249
Unions aren't mandatory. There is no taking. Given such a fundamental lack of understanding on that front really makes me doubt your story.
Yes there is, there's the union elections and the consent required for participation.
Statistics are used by propagandists.
Union reps are almost always the worst employees. Good employees don't tend to want to bother with union crap.
And what evidence have you brought to the table? Fucking nothing.
At least I brought scientific papers.
Don't need it. You're obviously a leech off employers. If you could simply make a point, you wouldn't be here QQ'ing.
I make 6 figures and work two jobs. I ain't a leech, or crying.
You on the other hand should quit licking the boot, and stop being a class traitor. And learning how to support your claims with evidence wouldn't hurt either.
Here's a long list of 'evidence' for you: https://www.qwant.com/?q=stats+used+as+propaganda&t=web
Pathetic. How about relevant evidence to support your point about unions? Or do you not have any? It's OK to say you don't have any.
Pathetic is people that can't negotiate their own pay and think their worth is more than it is.
You don't have any, do you?
Try harder, I know you can do it