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Causes of Death in London (1623) (mander.xyz)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Only 7 murders? The population of London was apparently about 400,000 back then so that's less than half the murder rate of present-day New York City (which is considered a relatively safe city). I don't think that can be right...

1632 London: 7 / 400,000 = 17.5 murders per million people

2023 New York: 312 / 8,258,000 = 37.8 murders per million people

[–] Plagiatus 72 points 1 month ago (2 children)

a relatively safe city [...] 37.8 murders per million

Ignoring that in 1632 it might've been easier for murder to go undetected, here are the numbers of present day London. It's about 13.1 mpm, even lower than in 1632, about a third of present day New York.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/862984/murders-in-london/

America is not really a shining example when it comes to those things...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

New York's murder rate (and the overall murder rate in the USA) is shaped by a history of race relations which is quite different from London's. A white person in New York is much less likely (and conversely a black or Hispanic person is much more likely) to be murdered than the overall murder rate for the city might lead someone to think.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Oh, well, carry on then.

[–] Klear 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Username checks out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Source

Source

Black and Hispanic people make up 52% of the city's population but 88% of the murder victims. The murder rate of the white and Asian population works out to approximately 8.4 per million, so the average European tourist is not in much danger here.

[–] Klear 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, exactly. You seem to arbitrarily place higher value on white people's lives...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm not making a value judgement. I'm explaining why New York City's murder rate is so much higher than London's. It's because NYC has a population of white and Asian people who are as safe as Europeans and another, de facto segregated population of black and Hispanic people who are much less safe.

I presume that a big part of the reason why things are the way they are is that society places a higher value on white people's lives, but I'm not doing that here. Explaining isn't the same as justifying.

[–] Klear -2 points 1 month ago

Why bring it up at all then? The topic was New York being unsafe, you come rushing it explaining it's because of the brown people.

Welp. Even though at this point I'm leaning towards "very clumsy with words" rather than "disgusting racist", I don't really have much interest in talking to you further.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 1 points 1 month ago

It's a lot harder to murder somebody when you actually have to stab them or beat their head in with something.

[–] Klear 8 points 1 month ago

present-day New York City (which is considered a relatively safe city).

Relative to USA. It would easily be one of the most violent cities in Europe.

[–] RizzRustbolt 3 points 1 month ago

It's for the greater good!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm especially dumbfounded as I thought that before there was an important police force and a mature legal system, murders were far more frequent than after.

At the same time, it's possible I'm imagining 1632 London to be more primitive than it really was.