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[–] Mango 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is nothing distinct about a gender, and literally nobody is deciding what traits belong, so why does gender get to have anything to do with the word that says I've got a penis? Why imply that anyone should have to be, feel, or act some kind of way in relation to the words man or woman? You're all literally doing worse than the astrology people at categorizing personalities and acting like it grants you the right to suck people in around you to play this stupid fucking game!

Nobody needs to use your pronouns anymore or any more meaningfully than they gotta use your constellation to describe you. In fact, anyone and everyone is perfectly at liberty to call you an asshat instead of anything else for trying to write the script for everyone else!

Gender isn't real, but I sure do love wrecking my ass with dildos. Wanna call me something?

Let me be very clear here. I'm not Republican. I've got no issues with intersex people, or any particular orientation. I don't care what anyone's style is. I couldn't make up any reasons to care. The absolutely only thing that should bother me about someone else's whole damn shape or presentation is if I have to touch them or maintain their life, and I don't gotta consent to any of that. What I'm against here is stupid lack of clarity from the people who wanna reject gender roles by using gender roles as their framework for describing how. It's asinine.

[–] Feathercrown 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Gender isn't real" is a valid perspective, and actually, I agree that it's not based on any concrete traits. This is what people mean when they say that "gender is a social construct". There's nothing that makes my gender objectively male, other than that I believe myself to be one based on my social understanding of gender roles. You can't measure someone's gender, it's not something that you can determine from someone's personality or biology, and it's not something that's even objectively definable over time based on specific traits. It's not real, in that sense. If you're someone who believes those to be important traits for something to be real-- fair! It's not real, then. We made it up.

Nobody needs to use your pronouns anymore or any more meaningfully than they gotta use your constellation to describe you. In fact, anyone and everyone is perfectly at liberty to call you an asshat instead of anything else for trying to write the script for everyone else!

It's about respect, asshat. Gender is something that people value very highly, on par with religion and politics, except unlike those it's entirely harmless. Why would I go out of my way to disrespect someone? Sure, I can do anything. I'm free to be a total dick and fuck everyone over. But I also must accept the consequences of doing so. If you want to misgender everyone, good luck with that, but it's not going to end well for your social life.

[–] Mango 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm respected for my contributions, not for being an unpaid actor. I don't let anyone write a script for me to rehearse. If you want me to call you Mommy, you'd better be turning a dial on my tens unit.

[–] Feathercrown 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So basically, you want to be able to act however you want with no social consequences. That is, frankly, delusional and the pinnacle of selfishness. Blocked.

[–] Mango 1 points 3 weeks ago

You wanna give me consequences for disobeying? We're gonna fight. You're gonna lose. You think respect is for people who act like control freaks? It's not. Trying to control other people is the finest way to be hated.