Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
Rules
Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people's efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed.
Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting:
- Build upon the OP
- Discuss concepts rather than semantics
- No low effort comments
- No personal attacks
Assume good faith
Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.
No bigotry
Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.
No brigading
Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.
Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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There is nothing distinct about a gender, and literally nobody is deciding what traits belong, so why does gender get to have anything to do with the word that says I've got a penis? Why imply that anyone should have to be, feel, or act some kind of way in relation to the words man or woman? You're all literally doing worse than the astrology people at categorizing personalities and acting like it grants you the right to suck people in around you to play this stupid fucking game!
Nobody needs to use your pronouns anymore or any more meaningfully than they gotta use your constellation to describe you. In fact, anyone and everyone is perfectly at liberty to call you an asshat instead of anything else for trying to write the script for everyone else!
Gender isn't real, but I sure do love wrecking my ass with dildos. Wanna call me something?
Let me be very clear here. I'm not Republican. I've got no issues with intersex people, or any particular orientation. I don't care what anyone's style is. I couldn't make up any reasons to care. The absolutely only thing that should bother me about someone else's whole damn shape or presentation is if I have to touch them or maintain their life, and I don't gotta consent to any of that. What I'm against here is stupid lack of clarity from the people who wanna reject gender roles by using gender roles as their framework for describing how. It's asinine.
"Gender isn't real" is a valid perspective, and actually, I agree that it's not based on any concrete traits. This is what people mean when they say that "gender is a social construct". There's nothing that makes my gender objectively male, other than that I believe myself to be one based on my social understanding of gender roles. You can't measure someone's gender, it's not something that you can determine from someone's personality or biology, and it's not something that's even objectively definable over time based on specific traits. It's not real, in that sense. If you're someone who believes those to be important traits for something to be real-- fair! It's not real, then. We made it up.
It's about respect, asshat. Gender is something that people value very highly, on par with religion and politics, except unlike those it's entirely harmless. Why would I go out of my way to disrespect someone? Sure, I can do anything. I'm free to be a total dick and fuck everyone over. But I also must accept the consequences of doing so. If you want to misgender everyone, good luck with that, but it's not going to end well for your social life.
I'm respected for my contributions, not for being an unpaid actor. I don't let anyone write a script for me to rehearse. If you want me to call you Mommy, you'd better be turning a dial on my tens unit.
So basically, you want to be able to act however you want with no social consequences. That is, frankly, delusional and the pinnacle of selfishness. Blocked.
You wanna give me consequences for disobeying? We're gonna fight. You're gonna lose. You think respect is for people who act like control freaks? It's not. Trying to control other people is the finest way to be hated.