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[–] chiliedogg 29 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Can you explain the benefits of the fediverse over a centralized private site to a regular person in 5-second quip that will convince them that the relative complexity of using the fediverse versus BlueSky is worth the effort?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Twitter was bluesky before musk bought it, federation ensures that can't easily happen to mastodon.

That's it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Cool. Now give me an argument why my mother would care about this fact.

[–] Klear 1 points 2 hours ago

That will just make them stay on X.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Centralized and private = enshitification

Self hosted and federated = not prone to enshitification

Idk how simple it has to be for people but clearly I'm over estimating people

[–] chiliedogg 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Okay. Now, explain the concept of enshitification. And do it using terms that regular folk won't find crass.

You know how conservatives live in this bubble where they don't even see their racism because it's so normalized? We're interacting within a bubble where everyone has a very high level of technical competence versus the average person, so we fail to understand just how tech illiterate others are.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Company focus on profit. even if mean overall experience get not gooder

I dumbed it down to caveman speech for those that still wouldn't understand. It's a simple concept all of use that have used the Internet in the past year have experienced.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The usual suspects couldnt care less. The more convenient it is the better. No matter how bad the future wil be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I cannot imagine mastodon getting any more convenient.

I personally never like the style of twitter so I don't use it

But when I did make an account on the mastodon app it was so simple my special needs clients could do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I never tried it. My only contact with the fediverse was through Lemmy.
When I became aware of lemmy it was first through the piracy subreddit doing the exodus and the head mod db0 mentioning the new piracy community. I wasnt aware of instances at the time and signed up on lemmy.ml because that was the first thing that popped up.
Later I realized I didnt want to be a part of ml and switched to my current instance.

Same goes for matrix. Signed up on element and now I dunno if I wanna stay there or leave. No special reason to do either.

Last time I heard about Mastodon it also doesnt inform about instances.
First google on mastodon leads me to mastodon.social.
A few links later (Info about an animal called mastodon, mastodon.social, google news widget, google info page widget and a "people also ask" section) I get to the joinmastodon.org page and first leads me to mastodon.social and a server selector.
My grandmother would be overwhelmed, my mother would ask me if the site is safe (I warned her to be wary about domains switching) and I assume other more tech iliterate would be just joining mastodon.social totally defeating the use case of deferedation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Can you explain the benefits of the fediverse over a centralized private site to a regular person in 5-second quip that will convince them that the relative complexity of using the fediverse versus BlueSky is worth the effort?

Billionares with mega yacht fleets are choosing bluesky over mastodon.

[–] Maalus 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Like it or not, a regular person doesn't give two shits about that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Talk for yourself, the average person does indeed care about the environment. In the past years there have been massive greenwashing campaigns from companies trying to please the average customer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Man, I wanna live in your neighborhood. I'm surrounded by bougie people or people with bougie fantasies. They talk all the time about drinking wine on a boat.

[–] Maalus 3 points 17 hours ago

Yeah because it doesn't cost them anything to say they "do their part" when they make token "commitments". It's not because the average person gives a shit. Give them a choice - $5 more an hour, or instantly and forever solve climate change and see how many people would choose climate change.

People complain about having to sort trash before throwing it out. Saying "most people care about the environment" is extremely naive.

[–] Jeffool 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It gives space to do servers based on specific interests if you want. I'm part of a game development server, and my "Local" tab has people on my server often talking about, and showing, things that are related to game development. And I can still follow anyone from any other Mastodon server too.

If you're into video games, film, maybe a specific genre of music, you can have an instance dedicated to that. (It might already exist.) It's like a virtual neighborhood, or forum. Remember forums? Those were nice. They cultivated a sense of community which made people a little more responsible in their attitudes, it feels like. Maybe that's just nostalgia, but I like the server I'm on. It's got friendly people I can talk to without feeling the need to fill my follows with them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Yes! I'm on a local regional server that is nice. I like that it's locally owned and operated, and we can talk local news and events.

[–] Maalus 0 points 18 hours ago

Oh so just like Discord, why would I need something new, I already have Discord.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago

5-second quip

Someone like Musk is impossible here

Freedom from tyrants, maybe