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Summary

With Donald Trump’s 2024 election win, young Gen Z voters like Kate, Holly, and Rachel are grappling with deepening divides with their Trump-supporting parents.

For many, these conflicts go beyond policy disagreements, touching on core values and morality. Parents once focused on fiscal conservatism have, in some cases, embraced conspiracy theories, creating painful rifts.

Studies suggest political divisions are increasingly seen as moral judgments, fostering a “mega-identity” where political views signify personal decency.

For these young adults, maintaining family connections amidst such ideological fractures has become challenging.

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[–] NielsBohron 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Why are they still claiming "fiscal conservatism" is anything more than racism and class warfare by a different name? Why are conservatives "stronger on economy?" Of course this is causing divides about morals; a vote for the GOP is a vote for oppression and hate.

This bullshit dog-whistling by the media has to stop or we're just letting 70+ million American voters off the hook by letting them claim "but I'm just worried about the economy."

edit: I can't find the source right now, but there's a quote about this. I'm paraphrasing, but it goes something like "historians have a term they use for a person who voted for Hitler because they liked his economic policies. That term is 'Nazi'"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?

—A.R. Moxon

[–] reddig33 3 points 1 month ago
[–] NielsBohron 3 points 1 month ago

That's the one, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Trumps "platform" was by any measure or definition less fiscally conservative than kamala. Pretty sure the reps left fiscal conservatism in the wasteland with Romney.

The new bullshit dogma for the right wing is "growth". But I don't think the Trump parade really even tried to explain that was the goal, or really any coherent economic policy.

Edit: the article seems to make the same point. That previously at least outwardly normal people have gone off the deep end.

[–] NielsBohron 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're missing my point, at least partially. Even going back all the way to Reagan years (and certainly for Romney) "fiscal conservatism" was not actually about the economy or saving money; it was always about cutting social safety net programs that help minorities while enriching the elites (especially defense contractors and banks).

It's a convenient piece of fiction that allows people to vote for conservatives who pass hateful legislation while claiming to be "not a racist," but fiscal conservatism in the US is and always has been racist. If we want to see any change, we need to start forcing the media outlets and "fiscal conservatives" to say the quiet part out loud instead of getting away with claiming they are "not racist but..."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agreed, de facto, budget cuts have been and would be racist.

Fiscal conservatism actually does mean something though. Like you could imagine a left leaning fiscally conservative government that maintained a balanced budget by raising taxes on corps and the wealthy. That would be basically fine (though I think on balance not as good as running a modest deficit to fund nice policy). If you just go, yeah no those words are henceforth no-bueno, aren't you just buying into their doublespeak?

[–] NielsBohron 2 points 1 month ago

I'll tell you what; when I see the term used by an elected official or GOP voter to mean something besides a dog-whistle, I'll be on your side here.

Until then, when someone uses "fiscal conservatism" to tell me they're voting Republican, I'm going to continue to believe that they're ok with the rest of the GOP's racist, homophobic, misogynistic platform, too.

When people tell you who they are, believe them. And don't let them off the hook when they claim they're "fiscally conservative"

[–] postmateDumbass 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“fiscal conservatism”

I remember when i thought they wanted balanced budgets.

[–] NielsBohron 16 points 1 month ago

Me too. And then Bill Clinton gave them balanced budgets and they still hated him and his economic policies, and I never really understood why until I realized it was because he wasn't "hurting the right people"